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The Sox not hiring a manger with previous experience in over 20 years is the most obvious reason why he would not be.

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Ten teams calls with job ideas for Maddon; Cubs seen as a favorite

The Cubs would seem to be the most logical landing spot for free agent manager Joe Maddon, but Maddon's agent Alan Nero said in a phone interview that about 10 teams have called with suggestions of jobs from manager to a "Tony La Russa style" top front-office position to various other roles.

Officially, the Cubs remained conspicuously silent on a second day about any possible interest in Maddon as manager, but other sources suggest they will be at least exploring an opportunity with one of baseball's best managers. Nero declined to name any teams in the mix, as there is technically only one managerial opening other than Tampa Bay's, that being the Twins, who didn't hurt their cause by waiting but are viewed as a long shot in any possible Madden derby.

It appears likely Maddon, who is viewed as one of the best for both clubhouse influence and strategy, will soon land a high-powered job, and a La Russa-like role would be interesting indeed. The Diamondbacks first created the position of chief baseball officer, above the GM, for the Hall of Fame manager. While working in baseball in 2015 seems to be the most probable outcome, several broadcast entities also have been in contact with Maddon, and it's possible he could take a year off (or some number of months) from a team job until a suitable position opened up.

"Joe is prepared not to manage [in 2015]," Nero told Chicago radio station WSCR. "If you remember when we got Lou Piniella out of his job, ironically with Tampa, he spent a year with the FOX network and he had a good year before he went on to ironically become the Cubs manager."

Maddon opted out of his Rays deal for a variety of reasons, not the least of which were his hope to be paid market value and his interest in exploring the market as a once-in-a-lifetime free agent. But he is also said by his friends to be intrigued by a chance to manage in the National League, which provides a greater opportunity for creativity and use of brainpower.

The Cubs haven't said a word about any possible interest in Maddon, though they are expected to be a big player in the free-agent market this winter, with an eye on competing next season after a small step forward to 73-89 and superb year of player development. Cubs president Theo Epstein interviewed Maddon for Red Sox manager in 2003 when he hired the more experienced Terry Francona, who won two World Series titles in Boston.

The Cubs haven't publicly expressed any unhappiness with first-year manager Rick Renteria, who was brought in to help the young players develop, and in fact have offered words of general praise about improvement he showed over his first year. But people around the game are convinced Chicago's North Side might be Maddon's best hope at this juncture. The Angels, Maddon's old team, plus the Dodgers, where his old Rays boss Andrew Friedman landed with a big new deal, have said they aren't changing managers, as have the Mets and Phillies.

Nero suggested he believed things would become clearer by the end of next week, after talks really got going. Maddon only opted out Friday, using the opt-out triggered by Friedman's departure, a clause that was suggested by Nero.

There's been some suggestion by unattributed people the Rays might consider a tampering claim, and while inappropriate contact goes on occasionally in baseball, it's hard to think Maddon would need to hear from anyone from the outside to know he was vastly underpaid. The reported $6 million for his three-year Rays deal that was to end after next year is said to have actually been slightly higher than the real amount, and with Maddon's old boss Mike Scioscia making an average of $5 million on his deal (and higher than that in coming years) and other managerial salaries much higher than Maddon's he wouldn't have needed anyone outside hints to know his contract wasn't for anywhere near market value.

On that score, while the Rays suggested they pursued an improved offer "diligently" and "aggressively," others suggest it was only aggressive by Tampa Bay standards perhaps, and never was anything to be seriously considered. Things were said to have gotten heated early in the process, unsurprising in cases where there is a vast different of opinion over value.

Maddon is about creativity more than money (as evidenced by the under-market contract he signed last time), and the loss of Friedman truly was a disappointment for Maddon, who is said to have appreciated the nine-year working relationship and especially Friedman's willingness to let him do his job, after providing input and information, of course.

Maddon is driving cross country from Tampa to his other home in Long Beach, Calif., in an RV with his wife, but Nero suggested he'd keep his home in Tampa, which also houses his various charities, including Thanksmas, events held between Thanksgiving and Christmas intended to help raise awareness for the homeless, and feed the homeless.
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The Sox not hiring a manger with previous experience in over 20 years is the most obvious reason why he would not be.

dont you just mean a manager with an agent?

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A fan base that demands contention for their attention span. A core of Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Rodon Gillaspie, Eaton and the Adulterer.

The Tigers are aging, Indians cheap, Royals will lose Shields, and Twins 3 years away.

Time is ripe but Ventura is the answer?!? Talk about blatantly telling your customers fuck you.


He has an agent. JR refuses to negotiate with agents unless forced to for on field talent. The same is true with the Bulls. I don't like it but it isn't changing.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Seven years from now, the Sox would regret having incredible success with Maddon.


Some people will never learn that signing a decorated old guy to his final contract might not work. Remember the Day 1 quote about paying for future production?

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Because bigfan said so.

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Remember the Day 1 quote about paying for future production?


So, you're anticipating Joe Maddon having no further success in the MLB?

What are the statistics on 60 year-old managers with previous success being over the hill?

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What are the statistics on 60 year-old managers with previous success being over the hill?
Not good.

Dusty.
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
What are the statistics on 60 year-old managers with previous success being over the hill?
Not good.

Dusty.
Lou.


LaRussa
Cox
Torre
Leyland


Dusty won 90+ games 3 times between age 60 and 65.

Bruce Bochy is 59. Is he done?

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McKeon waltzed into the Marlins job midseason to win World Series in....2003 :cry:


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Bruce Bochy is 59. Is he done?



If Bumgarner's arm falls off the way Cain's and Lincecum's have he probably is.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
What are the statistics on 60 year-old managers with previous success being over the hill?
Not good.

Dusty.
Lou.


LaRussa
Cox
Torre
Leyland


Dusty won 90+ games 3 times between age 60 and 65.

Bruce Bochy is 59. Is he done?
Looks like a can't miss hire.

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You've sold me. Hiring Joe Maddon sounds like a horrible idea.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Remember the Day 1 quote about paying for future production?


So, you're anticipating Joe Maddon having no further success in the MLB?

What are the statistics on 60 year-old managers with previous success being over the hill?


61 before next season.

I anticipate that he will have very little objective impact on whatever team he coaches but that people normally devoted to only accepting what can be statistically proven will attempt to attribute all sorts of intangible improvements to his presence.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You've sold me. Hiring Joe Maddon sounds like a horrible idea.


I bet Ricky Renteria can tell Bryant to hit the ball over the fence in two languages as well as Maddon.

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good dolphin wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Remember the Day 1 quote about paying for future production?


So, you're anticipating Joe Maddon having no further success in the MLB?

What are the statistics on 60 year-old managers with previous success being over the hill?


61 before next season.

I anticipate that he will have very little objective impact on whatever team he coaches but that people normally devoted to only accepting what can be statistically proven will attempt to attribute all sorts of intangible improvements to his presence.


So you feel a manager really has no impact on a season or that Maddon just isn't a good manager.

Or, third option, I guess, is you think Renteria is an excellent manager or at least on par with Maddon.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You've sold me. Hiring Joe Maddon sounds like a horrible idea.
He won't be the #1 reason they win or lose, and as well all know, that is how we judge things.

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This may be a new low for Cubbie Nation.

"HAHA Why aren't you a candidate for a manager that we tampered with to try and get?"

I hope leash is reading this!

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I see a lot of Ventura hating and talk of him being fired.

A manager just became available, seems like a cromulent thread to me


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You've sold me. Hiring Joe Maddon sounds like a horrible idea.



There seems to be a lot of confusion among the fanbase. Are you concerned about Ricketts' pocketbook or not? Sometimes it's all about expanding revenue streams and supporting the billionaire family in doing so, everything else be damned. Is that so it can be wasted on shit like paying two managers, one of them an expensive old guy, who Theo will only allow to make the same exact decisions as the cheapest guy he can find?

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There seems to be a lot of confusion among the fanbase. Are you concerned about Ricketts' pocketbook or not? Sometimes it's all about expanding revenue streams and supporting the billionaire family in doing so, everything else be damned. Is that so it can be wasted on shit like paying two managers, one of them an expensive old guy, who Theo will only allow to make the same exact decisions as the cheapest guy he can find?


Hey, when you can get a guy who prints up novelty t-shirts as well as Maddon does, you get him. I mean "9 = 8," that's the only math that really matters.

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So, if Maddon isn't better option than Renteria can we address the original premise of the thread?

Why isn't Maddon a better candidate to guide the Sox over Ventura?


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So, if Maddon isn't better option than Renteria can we address the original premise of the thread?

Why isn't Maddon a better candidate to guide the Sox over Ventura?
Maddon is a better option, but you already have your answer.

Ozzie is the best answer here, even over Maddon, for the White Sox.

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Kirkwood wrote:
So, if Maddon isn't better option than Renteria can we address the original premise of the thread?

Why isn't Maddon a better candidate to guide the Sox over Ventura?
Maddon is a better option, but you already have your answer.

Ozzie is the best answer here, even over Maddon, for the White Sox.

Is he? He'll be over 60


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Kirkwood wrote:
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So, if Maddon isn't better option than Renteria can we address the original premise of the thread?

Why isn't Maddon a better candidate to guide the Sox over Ventura?
Maddon is a better option, but you already have your answer.

Ozzie is the best answer here, even over Maddon, for the White Sox.

Is he? He'll be over 60
We wanted Robin fired before Theo even started the tampering.

The Cubs didn't decide that Ricky sucked until the tampering had worked.

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I meant Maddon.

Ozzie will only be 50. Why is Ozzie the best? What the hell has he ever done other than 2005?Seriously. 9 years managing and only 2 postseasons.

Credit was given for his World Series. His other 8 seasons had one postseason appearance and ther is no debate multiple years of underachievement.


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I meant Maddon.
We'd take Lou Pinella right now over Ozzie.
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Ozzie will only be 50. Why is Ozzie the best? What the hell has he ever done other than 2005?Seriously. 9 years managing and only 2 postseasons.
You answered your own question. He won a ring with the White Sox and wouldn't be as expensive as Maddon. Don't make things more difficult than they need to be. Ozzie is a no brainer hire as soon as they decide that Robin deserves a promotion.

Hopefully, that is in about a week.

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If a manager really mattered, the Orioles would be playing right now instead of the Royals.

Talking about managers is all claptrap. Jim Leyland is under .500 for his career. How good could he be? When I was growing up Gene Mauch was supposed to be the manager to end all managers. That goof never won shit and he blew about a ten game lead with six games left :lol: in 1964 when he pitched Short and Bunning every other day.

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