Lots of "Money solves everything" people in this thread. Looks like IMU has some new allies.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Please...why should we look to you as the pillar of good character and integrity? I don't know what you do or what business you're in, but if you have the chance to get a game changer that can really improve your business, I would certainly hope you would take advantage of that. It happens at the executive level in business everyday.
But I won't shed a tear for millionaires when they lose their job. They're just fine.

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

The Cubs are not the first team to ever rebuild (every team but the Yankees)

The Cubs are not the first major market team to rebuild (Mets, Phillies)

The Cubs are not the first team to fire a manager early because a better candidate became available. (Red Sox, Marlins)

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Interesting you should say what was expected. Ill bet there was part of Renteria that expected this very situation (albeit probably a year or two later)


By the way it's really rich that you are arguing Mattingly and his 95 wins failed and Renteria and his 70 some wins did the job.

That kind of goes against a lot of things you've posted here

After 1 year?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

JORR, you know damn well that you and I are both class war mongers. But this example is not one we can use. I'm sorry - the parallel you're trying to draw is not accurate. These are all very wealthy people.

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The thing is, Joe Maddon isn't a "game changer". He's just another guy that will position fielders based on Theo's spray charts the same way Renteria did.

I've never claimed to be a man of particularly high integrity. I know what I can do and still be able to sleep at night. When I'm making a decision that might cause me to lose some shut-eye, I'm looking for the upside to be far greater than it is in this circumstance.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If they're not the first, oh well. Maybe the organization needs a little more fire and passion. The Bears could sure as hell use it.

Scorehead is going to back me up on this with a quote from "Management for Dummies."

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Like what? Cub management was actively trying to lose while Dodger management was desperate to win. You really don't acknowledge the difference?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You and Scorehead on the same team, I need to say prayers.

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2018
#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

Grady Little was two years and he won 90+ games in both years

Girardi was one year

That's a different argument altogether. It's the old hooker analogy... "now that we've established you'll do it... price... bla bla bla". If you're talking about integrity, either you do or you don't. There are no shades of gray. You seem to indicate here that it is only acceptable if the guy wins. I think that makes you as bad as anyone else.

The only question is: what is JORR's price?

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Girardi wanted that as bad as they did.

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2018
#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

At the end of the day we need more synergy!

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

I dont know, you seem to be a guy who thinks regular season wins are important

I could never envision a scenario where you would say the Cub manager did a great job winning 70g ames (unless it somehow painted the Cubs in a negative light... and here we are)


But I guess you disagree. I would not put this in the dishonorable category. Im not really looking for honor though. Was Steinbrenner's era honorable? Because Id take that era in a second

Except I'm not making the decision.

I've done some things I'm not proud of in pursuit of money. I would never expect a mob of guys on a message board to defend my questionable actions though.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yeah, well they might not fit Jorr's criteria anyway.

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Girardi is lucky he didn't come to the Cubs or he'd be looking at the Cubs asking him to be the third base coach too!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don't think winning 70 games had anything to do with the manager. Do you think Maddon would have won more with that team? Anyway, I believe the Cubs actually won a couple more than their run differential would have suggested. Should Renteria get the credit?

Those are two separate arguments. The Cubs can be horseshit and win only 70 games without it being the manager's fault.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Ha. So, are you arguing that what they did is wrong or that we shouldn't be defending it?

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Now it's (possibly) immoral in sports to replace somebody who is inferior in the eyes of the boss(es)?

This is a brand new concept. Literally.

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I guess

I think you know I dont put much stock in managers.


I really dont care either way. If they get Maddon, that's fine. If they keep Rick (I dont call grown men by their -y names) that's fine too.

Hi this is JIMMY,
As everyone here knows,I'm a man of class and high values. I would not even consider firing Renteria. If this was two years in and his team showed no improvement,that's different.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

No. It's really not. And this isn't really a sports decision. It's a management decision. It's not like making a call on going with a younger outfielder. It's smacking a guy in the face who did exactly what those bosses wanted. If you want to cheer that, go right ahead.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If they literally slapped him, Id probably laugh a little

I doubt that you think Quade & Sveum were fine though.

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan