no, you fire the dope you want gone
then you hire someone new

is that hard to understand ?

There have been cases where there was a designated successor (Avery Johnson for Don Nelson, Joe Girardi for Joe Torre), but I don't remember actively looking to hire a new coach/manager without firing the one currently serving just in case you don't get him. Probably because of that worst-case scenario.

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If it were really happening behind the scenes it wouldn't be getting leaked all over the place to the point where Renteria felt he needed to issue a press release stating that he was till the manager.

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Many times, the replacement is in place long before the manager is fired. Then the lame duck finishes the season and a week later the new guy is introduced.

I dont think that week of managing as a lame duck (they always no they're gone) is a better situation.

That would be unique.


The whole point here is that it is rare for active negotiations between a managerial replacement and a team with a manager.

It's even more unique that seemingly if Maddon decides not to go there that they are going to say "Hey Ricky, I know we looked around, but we really want you now".

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so are you now acknowledging that is occurs ? just that this time its more in the open ?

What do you mean "if Maddon decides not to go there"? There. is. no. Plan. B! Or was that the other big-name manager the Cubs failed to sign?

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When did Ricky know he was gone? Friday night?

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You misread what I wrote. I ne'er suggested that. Quite the opposite in fact.

I guess so. So you aren't saying this is any way comparable to a lame duck manager who knows they are fired?

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What is your stance here? Is your hate for Ricketts and Epstein so strong that you root against the team now?

Or are you just ripping the moves you don't like but ultimately want them to win?


I'm not judging, just Curious, Hair.

Dolphins - Tony Sparano/Jim Harbaugh
Raiders - Dennis Allen/Jon Gruden
Blackhawks - Denis Savard/Joel Quenneville
Jets - Herm Edwards/Eric Mangini

Yes, I am comparing them but the one detail you're focusing on is not identical

Are you suggesting the lame duck who knows he's gone is a better situation?

I'd take Renterias situation if it were me

The Savard/Quenneville maneuver was just the old consultant sidestep, not going out with the express purpose of hiring a head coach while you already have one. I mean, when your sitting coach is just an organizational flunky and you go out to hire a guy with eleven years of experience as a "consultant," he's probably not going to be a consultant for long. There's none of that going on with Maddon. I don't know whether that's better or worse.

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What I'm acknowleging is that often teams will have "back channel" discussions with other guys once they have made the decision to fire the guy they have. That isn't the case here. Renteria is likely only going to be fired if they can get Maddon. I'm sure you see the difference. If Maddon goes elsewhere, how can Renteria effectively manage a team that obviously doesn't really want him?

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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Haha, there it is. The Cubs are taking cues from the Milwaukee Bucks.

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Of course, for a number of reasons.

They were given more than one year.
Their performance got them fired regardless of who is available.
They aren't going to be Plan B. Could you imagine how embarrassing it would be for Ricky to walk into spring training next year as the coach they wanted to fire but didn't?
They know what their fate is(according to your hypothetical).

Ricky is losing his job in a pretty painful way. I think JORR said something like this, but we'd all be pretty upset if it happened to us at our jobs. I guess rich people don't have feelings so he'll probably give Theo a hug and invite him to his next birthday party!

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Sox fans are very upset that a team they don't care about didn't give a very wealthy manager a enough time to prove himself.

I'm sure that if the Cubs didn't reach out to Maddon and Renteria struggled over the next couple years, Sox fans would say the Cubs didn't do their due diligence when they had the opportunity.

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I see a ot of similarities to the Savard/Q situation.

But since no one has/had an odd obsessive hatred for the Hawks the firing wasn't controversial except for a select few die hard meatballs.

I hope the Cubs don't end up like the Blackhawks. They've been a fucking mess the past 5 years.

Sox fans are not upset. They just don't understand why this is an argument at all.

Even you seem to be hinting that you agree that Renteria is getting the shaft.

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First, you were upset that the Cubs were underhanded in their dealings.

Then you were upset that people on the board weren't upset about the Cubs underhanded dealings.

Now you're upset that it might affect Cubs performance?

You're grasping, JORR.

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Did any of you think it was the plan to have Renteria manage this team once it was a contender?

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Not similar. The Hawks knew Savard couldn't do the job. The Cubs are perfectly happy with Renteria. Unless they can get Maddon. You really don't see the difference? Do you think it's fair to hire a guy and then not give him a chance? Would you want to work for someone like that?

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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Incorrect. I don't care enough to even analyze it. I don't care whether Renteria is given a fair shake. I care whether it will make the Cubs better. That's it. If they were laying off groundskeepers, I would care a lot more about their morality because groundskeepers struggle to get by. This is a luxury business with luxury employees who make millions. I don't care at all about a guy who makes way more than I ever will and will land in a cozy job elsewhere not getting a fair shake.

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Uh, considering they're supposed to contend next season, yeah. Or did The Plan change again. It's hard to keep track.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It is also a MLB policy to never announce any hirings or firings during the world series, amazing how I just read there could be a announcement with the Cubs and the latest new manager by Friday.

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