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Brick

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:56 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

The only fair comparison is to what happened with Savard, but at least he had more than one year and had shown that he was bad.

Renteria did a pretty good job last year by all accounts. Remember how good the Cubs were in the second half?

It is another sport, but a fair comparison is what happened to Larry Drew in Milwaukee with the new owners. I didn't like that either.

True. That is another good one.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:46 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

The only fair comparison is to what happened with Savard, but at least he had more than one year and had shown that he was bad.

Nope. Different sport.
Another Sox fan in this thread said we can't compare between sports for this.
Same thing for Larry Drew.

You guys are right. Nothing like this has ever happened before in the sports world ever

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:53 pm

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Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:54 pm

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

Sorry, also not baseball.

This near-criminal act is unprecedented in the world of sports, and we aren't even sure that this is sports, I will let you know

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:55 pm

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

The Hawks fired Billy Reay that way too.

Look, it's not about the firing. Fire Renteria. Great. You didn't want him. It happens all the time. What doesn't happen all the time is hiring the new guy before you fire the old one. If Maddon said no were they really going to let this guy keep managing?

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:07 pm

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spanky wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

Sorry, also not baseball.

This near-criminal act is unprecedented in the world of sports, and we aren't even sure that this is sports, I will let you know

Did the Bulls agree to terms with another coach from outside the organization before the Skiles firing took place?

Didn't think so.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:17 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

spanky wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

Sorry, also not baseball.

This near-criminal act is unprecedented in the world of sports, and we aren't even sure that this is sports, I will let you know

Did the Bulls agree to terms with another coach from outside the organization before the Skiles firing took place?

Didn't think so.

Maddon hasn't agreed to terms with the Cubs

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:18 pm

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Bagels wrote:

Maddon hasn't agreed to terms with the Cubs

Ricky Renteria still hasn't been fired. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:18 pm

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Bagels wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

spanky wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

Sorry, also not baseball.

This near-criminal act is unprecedented in the world of sports, and we aren't even sure that this is sports, I will let you know

Did the Bulls agree to terms with another coach from outside the organization before the Skiles firing took place?

Didn't think so.

Maddon hasn't agreed to terms with the Cubs

If this all fell thru it would be high-larious.

Ummm....yeah Rick, we really wanted you all along to manage in 2015.

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Big Chicagoan

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:19 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

spanky wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Bulls fired Scott Skiles on Christmas Eve.

Sorry, also not baseball.

This near-criminal act is unprecedented in the world of sports, and we aren't even sure that this is sports, I will let you know

Did the Bulls agree to terms with another coach from outside the organization before the Skiles firing took place?

Didn't think so.

So they didn't have a plan at all? They just fired someone not knowing how to replace him? In the middle of the season?

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:23 pm

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I certainly hope they didn't plan to hire Vinny Del Negro five months in advance.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:24 pm

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Curious Hair wrote:

I certainly hope they didn't plan to hire Vinny Del Negro five months in advance.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:33 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

.I, unlike JORR, don't really see this as a wrong or bad move. They got a better manager.

Yeah, I guess we disagree there. I'm not even sure what a "better manager" is. And it's not something that is easily defined. Obviously, if Maddon wins he'll be perceived as "better", but that kind of contradicts the idea that the Cubs have all these great pieces that were ready to win before anyone even mentioned Maddon. I guess I never realized that Joe Maddon was such a huge part of Theo's Plan. Thank God he got him!

New York Daily News
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On the other hand with the Rays, there is the status of Joe Maddon, the likely AL manager of the Year, who has one more year on his contract at around $1.5 million and who is said to be much coveted by new Cubs president of baseball operations, Theo Epstein. Epstein is in a position to triple Maddon’s salary.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:34 pm

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

.I, unlike JORR, don't really see this as a wrong or bad move. They got a better manager.

New York Daily News
November 5, 2011

Quote:

Are you hinting at something?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:37 pm

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:41 pm

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:49 pm

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

Got it.

I think you cracked the case. I'm sending that quote to the Tampa Bay Rays to give them more evidence.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:52 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

Got it.

I think you cracked the case. I'm sending that quote to the Tampa Bay Rays to give them more evidence.

Go for it.

They can tamper and collude their way a World Series anytime they want for this guy.

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:54 pm

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Go for it.

They can tamper and collude their way a World Series anytime they want for this guy.

Playing fair has failed for 100+ years. I'm down for whatever at this point.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:56 pm

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I may have to start rooting for the Cardinals since they win the right way.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:58 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I may have to start rooting for the Cardinals since they win the right way.

I dont know, seems like they've been dying off lately

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I may have to start rooting for the Cardinals since they win the right way.

I dont know, seems like they've been dying off lately

Now that we know the lengths Theo is willing to go...

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:06 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I may have to start rooting for the Cardinals since they win the right way.

I dont know, seems like they've been dying off lately

Now that we know the lengths Theo is willing to go...

If you suggested that to Bernstein, for a split second before realizing it's a joke, he'd be super excited.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

so his plan was to hire flunky managers for 4 seasons (remember in 2011 no one knew of the opt out) until Maddon became available? That takes some balls.

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:57 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

so his plan was to hire flunky managers for 4 seasons (remember in 2011 no one knew of the opt out) until Maddon became available? That takes some balls.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I may have to start rooting for the Cardinals since they win the right way.

and they have much better fans

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:08 pm

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somebody look up Sparky Anderson and the Tigers.

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:13 pm

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badrogue17 wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Just that he probably was a huge part of Theo's plan from the beginning so JORR actually is happy for the Cubs.

Synagogue ,kosher meal, BOOM

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:28 pm

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City of Fools wrote:

somebody look up Sparky Anderson and the Tigers.

You want the Cubs to hire a dead guy?

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:33 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

City of Fools wrote:

somebody look up Sparky Anderson and the Tigers.

You want the Cubs to hire a dead guy?

Only if they fire the current dead guy before negotiations start

Feelings and all

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