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This is Hispanic Heritage Night, by the way. The team that fled Miami because it didn't want to market hockey to brown people held a Hispanic Heritage Night and it looked like this.

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This is Hispanic Heritage Night, by the way. The team that fled Miami because it didn't want to market hockey to brown people held a Hispanic Heritage Night and it looked like this.


Unreal. Great idea putting the NHL in Florida...or any southern state for that matter. If they all folded tomorrow, the league would be better for it.

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....and yet it is somehow 100 percent impossible to put a team in milwaukee for some reason.

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The team that fled Miami because it didn't want to market hockey to brown people held a Hispanic Heritage Night and it looked like this.

Racist much?

They "fled" the old arena in Miami for a newer stadium, with a better lease deal, in a different location from the one that wasn't working before. The new stadium isn't working either, but still....bad premise

They were hardly fleeing from "brown people". It's south FL, not sure you've been there before, but even the affluent people are "brown" in the sense that you are saying. The team fled the downtown area for the same reason that most teams "flee" the downtown area. Nobody is downtown at night, you know, when the games are played.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:13 am 
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I'm in South Florida for a couple months out of the year, thanks.

Wayne Huizenga, the old Panthers/Dolphins/Marlins owner, hates Miami. Loves Fort Lauderdale, loves suburban Broward, hates Miami. It's like the people who say they hate Los Angeles but love Orange County: yeah, sure, there are affluent non-whites in the latter, too, but it's still a pretty obvious dog whistle. He wanted to move all three of his teams out of Dade eventually, hence the "Florida" Marlins and not the Miami Marlins, which at least two baseball teams had called themselves before. Obviously, he cashed out of the two outdoor teams, but did manage to move the Panthers to the middle of nowhere. And the location that "wasn't working" only didn't work insofar as it was a decrepit piece of crap: the Panthers had better attendance per capita at the old Miami Arena than they ever did in Broward. And Miami as an early-to-bed town doesn't exactly check out.

Most teams don't flee downtown. That's the thing. They move as close to downtown as they can. I can only think of two teams that have moved outward recently: the 49ers because there's nowhere to build a stadium in San Francisco, and the Braves, whose move, and here I go again, does have a racial component to it as all things in Atlanta seem to. Obviously, because South Florida is the biggest bunch of bandwagoners who ever bandwagoned, the Panthers could turn it around if they started winning, but alienating themselves from Miami to get more people from Boca has bitten them in the ass as they've been not only bad, but inconvenient, too. The arena isn't even that easy to get to from Palm Beach County because you have to jut off 95 and go all the way west.

Would have been cool if they could have played at the AAA with the Heat. Players taking their talents to South Beach, not players retiring but still getting paid. Hi, Dave Bolland.

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....and yet it is somehow 100 percent impossible to put a team in milwaukee for some reason.

Milwaukee was up for expansion in the early '90s (Lloyd Pettit married into Allen-Bradley money and spearheaded the bid) but Bill Wirtz shut them down for being too close to Chicago. The same thing happened with Hamilton, which the league said was too close to both Toronto and Buffalo, despite a 17,000-seat arena and Tim Hortons money behind the bid. We wound up with Tampa, Ottawa, Anaheim, and Miami instead. I guess at least the first two are okay.

EDIT: and yeah, notice that the Lightning's arena is smack-dab in downtown Tampa, right on the waterfront. Their attendance has never been as scary bad as the Panthers' has. Yeah, they won a championship, but they also spent some years way at the bottom of the league whereas the Panthers have generally just finished 9th or 10th.

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Coyotes-Hurricanes in Raleigh tonight.

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Coyotes-Hurricanes in Raleigh tonight.

Isn't Carolina still winless?

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Coyotes-Hurricanes in Raleigh tonight.


Like I have said...people in the south don't give a shit about hockey. The NHL screwed up big time when they decided to go to Tampa, Raleigh, Miami & Phoenix.

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Tampa has traditionally done well for itself except for those years that they were owned by the guy who made the Saw movies, where they hired Barry Melrose to coach the team because he sounded smart on TV and then fired him after ten games. That downturn got them Stamkos and Hedman, though.

Raleigh has always been a bomb scare except for when they'd go deep in the playoffs, which has happened three times, and what, do you want a fucking cookie.

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Florida Panthers co-owner Doug Cifu admits his team is bleeding money and that the franchise lost about $114,000 per day last season.

Cifu appeared on TSN 1290 radio in Winnipeg and discussed his team's financial picture in a wide-ranging interview.

Cifu, who says he was a huge hockey fan growing up on Long Island, NY, admits his team will continue to lose money in 2014-15, but to a lesser extent than a year ago.

One thing that Cifu and business partner Vincent Viola have done this season is eliminate discounted and complimentary tickets. In this respect, Cifu acknowleges that while attendance is down, the "net intake has not suffered."

However, on Oct. 13, the announced attendance of 7,311 for a game against the Ottawa Senators was the lowest in franchise history.

Shawn Thornton, who signed a two-year deal with the Panthers in the offseason, told DJ Bean of radio station WEEI 93.7 FM that he doesn't pay much attention to the empty seats.

“I’ve played [expletive] Sunday afternoons in Lowell and there was 14 people in the building, and probably eight of them were wives,” Thornton said when reached by phone this week. “I think after nine years in the minors, I don’t really pay attention to the crowd that much anyways when I’m out there. I can block it out.”

Despite the fact that the team continues to lose money, Cifu emphasized that they have actually increased their investment on the hockey operations side. He pointed out that the Panthers' payroll increased over the summer and now sits at around $65 million U.S.

While the team still has a long way to go on the marketing side, and is often mentioned in musings about relocation, Cifu said he is excited and optimistic about the product on the ice.

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Florida Panthers co-owner Doug Cifu admits his team is bleeding money and that the franchise lost about $114,000 per day last season.

Cifu appeared on TSN 1290 radio in Winnipeg and discussed his team's financial picture in a wide-ranging interview.

Cifu, who says he was a huge hockey fan growing up on Long Island, NY, admits his team will continue to lose money in 2014-15, but to a lesser extent than a year ago.

One thing that Cifu and business partner Vincent Viola have done this season is eliminate discounted and complimentary tickets. In this respect, Cifu acknowleges that while attendance is down, the "net intake has not suffered."

However, on Oct. 13, the announced attendance of 7,311 for a game against the Ottawa Senators was the lowest in franchise history.

Shawn Thornton, who signed a two-year deal with the Panthers in the offseason, told DJ Bean of radio station WEEI 93.7 FM that he doesn't pay much attention to the empty seats.

“I’ve played [expletive] Sunday afternoons in Lowell and there was 14 people in the building, and probably eight of them were wives,” Thornton said when reached by phone this week. “I think after nine years in the minors, I don’t really pay attention to the crowd that much anyways when I’m out there. I can block it out.”

Despite the fact that the team continues to lose money, Cifu emphasized that they have actually increased their investment on the hockey operations side. He pointed out that the Panthers' payroll increased over the summer and now sits at around $65 million U.S.

While the team still has a long way to go on the marketing side, and is often mentioned in musings about relocation, Cifu said he is excited and optimistic about the product on the ice.

What a mess :lol:



Wouldn't it be better to make all of the game free and just gouge on parking and concessions?


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They play at an outlet mall. The parking is already free.

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Does the team in Nashville do any better?

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They probably get about 14,000 to 15,000 a night in a 17,000-seat barn, but they don't report their television ratings, which leads me to believe they're shit. I'm also guessing tickets aren't too pricey.

They had one foot out the door for Hamilton back in 2007 but the league intervened to keep them in place, as they did when the Coyotes were bound for Hamilton in 2009. The NHL would sooner dig a hole for itself and die than put a team in Hamilton. Also, Nashville/the county pays them about $10 million a year to stay and lets the Perds control concert revenues on the publicly owned arena; my guess is that if they weren't allowed to fuck the taxpayers up the ass like that, they'd be long gone. Actually, if you think about it as taking the concert money and getting paid to rent, it's more like a DP.

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And today in wild speculation about the future of the Florida Panthers, outgoing Broward County mayor Barbara Sharief says that Panthers co-owner Vincent Viola wants $78 million in operating subsidies over the next 14 years, or else he might take the team elsewhere. And that would be bad because AEG’s contract to bring concerts to the BB&T Center is with the Panthers, not the county, and without that “it would be very difficult for us to book shows and to fill up the arena. So essentially … we would have a concrete dinosaur just sitting there.” (Presumably there would be no way for the county to cut its own deal with AEG, because if the Panthers left there would be too many old memories for them to want to book concerts into Broward without breaking down in tears.)

You may remember Sharief as the mayor who earlier this year hired a consultant to see whether it would be cost-effective to meet Viola’s subsidy demands in order to keep the Panthers in town, notwithstanding that the Panthers’ lease runs through 2028 and Viola isn’t actually offering to extend the lease any if he gets his $78 million. County mayors rotate each year, so Sharief will return to being a regular county commissioner in 2015, but she took one last shot at some publicity with this Panthers announcement, which included “a preliminary study that shows the BB&T Center is worth $450 million, but would be valued at just $60 million without the Panthers.” Study not actually included on Sharief’s website, but she does give her phone number and suggest that readers call with any questions, so feel free.

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With packed houses like the above there should be no concerns regarding the validity of the commissioned study.


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What? This doesn't even make any sense.

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