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Did Renteria get a fair shake?
No, he was fucked by an evil employer without being given a chance. 50%  50%  [ 15 ]
Yes, when you have a chance to get an all-time great like Joe Maddon honor and morality go out the window. 50%  50%  [ 15 ]
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I feel just awful for whoever was the forward for the Cavs last year while the Cavs owner was secretly flying down to Miami to meet with LeBron.

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I feel just awful for whoever was the forward for the Cavs last year while the Cavs owner was secretly flying down to Miami to meet with LeBron.


Jane, you ignorant slut, it isn't the same thing.

That person signed a contract to be a basketball player and he remained a basketball player irrespective of James' presence.

I'd ask why you can't get through your thick head but...

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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/31/joe-maddons-pursuit-of-the-cubs-job-called-a-classless-act-by-some-in-the-game/

Looks like good dolphin and JORR were right.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seems they're blaming Maddon more than the Cubs huh?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Seems they're blaming Maddon more than the Cubs huh?

Sox fans are taking this news that hasn't happened pretty hard.

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THE HELL WITH THE BASEBALL MEN WHO THINK IT WAS CLASSLESS I'M STICKING WITH SPANKY AND DON TINY!

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Seems they're blaming Maddon more than the Cubs huh?
Looks like it.

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There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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Seems they're blaming Maddon more than the Cubs huh?
Looks like it.

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Don Tiny wrote:
There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.

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good dolphin wrote:
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There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.


Darkside's opinion on this has to be more valid than Jon Heyman's. Are you kidding? Heyman isn't even a Tier II technician!

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good dolphin wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.


A source so highly regarded by you that you didn't bother to spell his name correctly.

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Don Tiny wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.


A source so highly regarded by you that you didn't bother to spell his name correctly.


Sorry. EVIL J.A.C.K.'s opinion.

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Don Tiny wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.


A source so highly regarded by you that you didn't bother to spell his name correctly.


Hey, man get off my back

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From the statement from #Cubs Theo Epstein on the firing of Rick Renteria:

We saw it as a unique opportunity and faced a clear dilemma: be loyal to Rick or be loyal to the organization. In this business of trying to win a world championship for the first time in 107 years, the organization has priority over any one individual. We decided to pursue Joe.

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Theo wrote:
He deserved better


END. OF. THREAD.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
From the statement from #Cubs Theo Epstein on the firing of Rick Renteria:

We saw it as a unique opportunity and faced a clear dilemma: be loyal to Rick or be loyal to the organization. In this business of trying to win a world championship for the first time in 107 years, the organization has priority over any one individual. We decided to pursue Joe.


Believe that is what the people of Germany said in the 1930's.

Heil Theo!

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So did they fire him face to face over the phone?

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Cubs fans feel kind of like they did at the end of Sixth Sense when the story gets flipped and they realize what should have been obvious from the beginning

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Theo wrote:
He deserved better


END. OF. THREAD.


Thank God.

Of course he got screwed. Such is life.

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I never realized Rick was such a bleeding heart.

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Behind the scenes when Theo met Renteria:



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Asked if he had ever heard of a managerial candidate speaking with a team while another man currently held the job, the official said, “I have never seen it happen. This is a totally new one to me. You have every right to go after a vacant job. There is no vacancy here.”

There seems to be a disagreement about this with some posters at CSFMB who keep repeating the lie that "it happens all the time".

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RFDC posted an article where the Sox did it twice in consecutive years. So it's happened. The official should probably take a lap and stop talking for a while.


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Kirkwood wrote:
RFDC posted an article where the Sox did it twice in consecutive years. So it's happened. The official should probably take a lap and stop talking for a while.


Didn't happen.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.


Darkside's opinion on this has to be more valid than Jon Heyman's. Are you kidding? Heyman isn't even a Tier II technician!


crossing a line?

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walkrman5 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
There's nothing in this world that makes quite so bold a statement as taking an anonymous stance on behalf of a nonspecific group of "some".


John Heyman thought there was validity to the view that it was undignified.


Darkside's opinion on this has to be more valid than Jon Heyman's. Are you kidding? Heyman isn't even a Tier II technician!


crossing a line?


Yes, but only because I didn't post it as Evil J.A.C.K.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
RFDC posted an article where the Sox did it twice in consecutive years. So it's happened. The official should probably take a lap and stop talking for a while.


Didn't happen.

Sox didnt go after Leyland while Bevington was under contract?


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More than most people who feel unappreciated by their bosses, Terry Bevington can relate to Rick Renteria.
Bevington was the White Sox manager left in limbo as former Sox GM Ron Schueler pursued a potential replacement — not once but twice during his tenure on the South Side from 1995-97. Not that such baseball precedent in Chicago will make Renteria feel any better about the Cubs being expected to announce the hiring of Joe Maddon as early as Friday, according to a source.

"It is pretty awkward but it's not a slight against Renteria, it's just somebody looking at a guy they think is magical,'' Bevington, 58, said Thursday from his home in Collierville, Tenn. "I think Rick Renteria did a pretty good job last year. But if I was him now, I would seriously consider trying to move on. If I had to do it all over again, after that second time, I'd have left.''

That second time came after the Sox finished 85-77 in 1996. Bevington was walking out of the ballpark on the final day of the season when he bumped into Schueler.

"He goes, 'Terry, you did a nice job but Jerry (Reinsdorf) is making me interview Jim Leyland,' because Leyland had just left the Pirates,'' Bevington said. "I was like, 'Tell me straight, Ron, I'm a grown man. Do you want me or not want me?'''
The answer came when Schueler and Reinsdorf flew to Pittsburgh to offer Leyland a $1.5 million salary he turned down, according to Tribune archives. A year earlier, the Sox flirted with Tony La Russa after he parted ways with the A's.
"Jerry just had such admiration for La Russa and Leyland that, in his mind, pursuing those guys wasn't a slight against me,'' said Bevington, fired after the '97 season and never managing in the majors again. "Jerry meant no harm. I have the utmost respect for him. But I will say this, man. He was trying to make things better but he undermined me. It was a bad feeling.''


Somewhere, Renteria nods.
Before the North Side adjusted to calling him Ricky, it appears Renteria will join Bevington on the list of former Chicago managers. The Cubs went 73-89 under Renteria, who did nothing to deserve losing his job. Renteria met the organization's primary goal in helping revive the careers of Anthony Rizzo and Starlin Castro. He wore a smile as often as he put on his No. 16 jersey. He never complained, at least openly, about fielding a major league team in Chicago often with less talent the Cubs' Triple-A team in Iowa. He made unorthodox moves with his bullpen, made no friends with umpires who ejected him six times for arguing and made baseball observers scratch their heads at least once a homestand. But the baseball lifer never embarrassed the franchise or treated people around the team with anything but respect.

Still, the Cubs owe Renteria nothing but the money remaining over the final two years of his contract. If Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer executed this exit with class, they looked Renteria in the eye, thanked him in person for his professionalism, answered any questions and shook his hand. The Cubs' obligation to do whatever's necessary to end a 106-year championship drought trumps any responsibility to be as nice to Renteria as he is to everybody. The Cubs need not feel compelled to offer Renteria a job in the organization that he might be loath to accept anyway. They hired Epstein in 2011 to win a World Series, not friends.

Cry not for Renteria, who has millions of reasons not to feel too devastated about beginning October with a vote of confidence and ending the month without a job. It's more unfortunate for Renteria than unfair. He had to know the temporary status of his job when he took it. Whether it was Maddon now or Joe Girardi later, somebody with postseason experience always was going to tapped to take the Cubs to where they haven't been since 1908. Once Maddon became available through a contractual quirk of fate, the process accelerated and the Cubs did what was best for their organization by pursuing one of baseball's top managers.

Cubs Chairman Tom Ricketts recently expressed hope that the franchise shed the label "Lovable Losers.'' This will help. Nobody around the league loves the idea of a team executive unloading a manager only weeks after endorsing him publicly. Nobody loves a franchise who pursues somebody for a job that isn't open. Baseball's unwritten rulebook is thicker than "War and Peace." A longtime former baseball executive agreed Thursday that the Cubs likely broke the code — if not tampered — by pursuing Maddon while Renteria twisted in the wind but suggested it happens more often than people realize.

When it happened 18 years ago on the South Side, Bevington understood. Maybe Renteria understands now too. Ultimately, in a pro sports world defined by winning, it doesn't matter.


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So it seems exactly like the Cubs situation, except the Deal Closer couldnt close the deal?


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