So you're essentially arguing "they waste a ton of money, why not keep wasting it?"

I was thinking of situations where there is an accident. A lot of companies automatically test if you get in a car accident in a work truck. If they want to breathalyze people in that situation, I understand it.

Are you purposely misunderstanding what Im saying?

Drug testing is not ok for you or them. That is the whole point of the thread.

And it's absolutely unconstitutional. That is a fact. Not up for debate.



There is no gain. If there were a net monetary gain to the state, you could make the case it's a good idea

So you're essentially arguing "they waste a ton of money, why not keep wasting it?"

I'm asking for employment from my company. They ask me to not commit crimes and don't use drugs. I can get black out drunk but make sure I have no alcohol in my system when I start work. They are not forcing me to work there either. I could leave tomorrow if I chose to. It's not unconstitutional, otherwise every single union that has this same policy would have taken these big companies to task about it. I don't get why it's ok for someone on welfare to ask for money from their government but be unwilling to take take the same drug test I have to take.

Save the there is no real gain from this. There's millions of dollars spent foolishly on other things than drug testing welfare recipients. This would be a drop in the bucket compared to everything else.

Why is it still allowed then?

So you're essentially arguing "they waste a ton of money, why not keep wasting it?"

Probably the same reason that the fucking government listens to our phone calls. The constitution doesnt mattter to certain lawmakers. That's not even new.

So, it is not a fact and it is up for debate?

So, it is not a fact and it is up for debate?

Just another thing we won't agree on, I will move along.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

You think black people shouldn't vote?

You think black people shouldn't vote?

Yes Douchebag that is exactly what I have never said.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

What the hell, I would. Post op is OK right? Right?!?!?!

Yes, and you should seek employment elsewhere.

Just another thing we won't agree on, I will move along.

I would smoke weed if I could at my job. I can't so I have to live with that if I want to stay employed by my company.

Ike pointed out that 80% of the workforce drug tests now so why should a person that is collecting a check for free be able to limit themselves on where they work but still be able to collect that check?

I would smoke weed if I could at my job. I can't so I have to live with that if I want to stay employed by my company.

Ike pointed out that 80% of the workforce drug tests now so why should a person that is collecting a check for free be able to limit themselves on where they work but still be able to collect that check?

you know, i really don't care if they want to take unemployment money and buy drugs anyway. let them eat cake

What is the problem drug testing those who drive or use heavy machinery?

Bryan isnt the reason companies drug test their employees because of the liability aspect of it ? I'm sure most companies would be glad not to do it. We live in a society where we need to blame and make someone pay when they fuck up. Again , if someone gets hurt in an accident by you while performing your job, first thing the person that got hurt is going to do is sue and if you have something in your system that shouldn't be there, the lawyer for the plaintiff is going to jump all over it . That's my guess as to why companies drug test.
Should it matter if you did whatever off the job? Probably not but that's not how the legal community is going to portray it

A lot of people work more than 40 hours per week and are not paid time and a half. It is called salary and it is your option if you want to stay working there or not. I don't recall the last time I worked just 40 hours in a week.

the problem is people arent held accountable for their actions. youre punishing people based of ill conceived notions. you have no idea if someone on drugs is more or less capable than someone who isnt. everyone is different, and thats why it should be up to your doctor to decide in your specific situation on what you should and shouldnt be doing while on whatever substances.

Are you saying that for a large majority of people that drugs won't negatively effect their ability to operate machinery?

What is the problem drug testing those who drive or use heavy machinery?