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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
I would smoke weed if I could at my job. I can't so I have to live with that if I want to stay employed by my company.

Ike pointed out that 80% of the workforce drug tests now so why should a person that is collecting a check for free be able to limit themselves on where they work but still be able to collect that check?


Florida spent $118k to save $46k. What is it that you don't understand about this being a bad idea? Poor people aren't your enemy.

Your employer's job isnt to make sure you follow the law. That why we have law enforcement. What you do off the clock is none of your employer's business.

It seems that you feel lucky to have a job. I'm sorry you feel that way. Companies love guys like that. I never feel that way. They are lucky to have me as an employee. And it's none of their fucking business, if I want to toke up at home.

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IkeSouth wrote:
the problem is over 80% of employers drug test now.

Does. Not. Happen.

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Bryan isnt the reason companies drug test their employees because of the liability aspect of it ? I'm sure most companies would be glad not to do it. We live in a society where we need to blame and make someone pay when they fuck up. Again , if someone gets hurt in an accident by you while performing your job, first thing the person that got hurt is going to do is sue and if you have something in your system that shouldn't be there, the lawyer for the plaintiff is going to jump all over it . That's my guess as to why companies drug test.
Should it matter if you did whatever off the job? Probably not but that's not how the legal community is going to portray it

Everything you say is true, but I dont see how that changes anything Im saying.

Just because we live in an overly litigious society doesn't mean we give up rights. We shouldnt anyway.


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the problem is people arent held accountable for their actions. youre punishing people based of ill conceived notions. you have no idea if someone on drugs is more or less capable than someone who isnt. everyone is different, and thats why it should be up to your doctor to decide in your specific situation on what you should and shouldnt be doing while on whatever substances.
Are you saying that for a large majority of people that drugs won't negatively effect their ability to operate machinery?


depends on what drugs and concentrations they take, which all should be determined by your doctor that knows you and your body and actually knows what those drugs do.

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The part where the guy gets fired for something he did in his free time.
I can get fired for plenty of things I do in my free time.

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IkeSouth wrote:
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the problem is people arent held accountable for their actions. youre punishing people based of ill conceived notions. you have no idea if someone on drugs is more or less capable than someone who isnt. everyone is different, and thats why it should be up to your doctor to decide in your specific situation on what you should and shouldnt be doing while on whatever substances.
Are you saying that for a large majority of people that drugs won't negatively effect their ability to operate machinery?


depends on what drugs and concentrations they take, which all should be determined by your doctor that knows you and your body and actually knows what those drugs do.
So you are literally saying there are people who can show up to work high and use heavy machinery and be safe?

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

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Douchebag wrote:
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the problem is over 80% of employers drug test now.

Does. Not. Happen.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+percentage+of ... ug+test%3F

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The part where the guy gets fired for something he did in his free time.
I can get fired for plenty of things I do in my free time.

You shouldn't.

Not if it doesnt affect the job or harm anyone.

How does a guy smoking a joint on his couch two weeks earlier affect safety of operating the machinery completely sober two weeks later?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Find a test that works like a breathalyzer and Id be on board


also, i don't think its a stretch to say that -far and away- the #1 drug of choice for people is weed. do you really think there are a lot of people coming into work after hitting the crack pipe or shooting up some heroin ?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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the problem is people arent held accountable for their actions. youre punishing people based of ill conceived notions. you have no idea if someone on drugs is more or less capable than someone who isnt. everyone is different, and thats why it should be up to your doctor to decide in your specific situation on what you should and shouldnt be doing while on whatever substances.
Are you saying that for a large majority of people that drugs won't negatively effect their ability to operate machinery?


depends on what drugs and concentrations they take, which all should be determined by your doctor that knows you and your body and actually knows what those drugs do.
So you are literally saying there are people who can show up to work high and use heavy machinery and be safe?

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.



You are wrong. My buddy and I blazed up, and then he went up 25' in a tree with a chainsaw. The tree came down exactly as we wanted it, and nobody was even close to being in danger.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Bryan isnt the reason companies drug test their employees because of the liability aspect of it ? I'm sure most companies would be glad not to do it. We live in a society where we need to blame and make someone pay when they fuck up. Again , if someone gets hurt in an accident by you while performing your job, first thing the person that got hurt is going to do is sue and if you have something in your system that shouldn't be there, the lawyer for the plaintiff is going to jump all over it . That's my guess as to why companies drug test.
Should it matter if you did whatever off the job? Probably not but that's not how the legal community is going to portray it

Everything you say is true, but I dont see how that changes anything Im saying.

Just because we live in an overly litigious society doesn't mean we give up rights. We shouldnt anyway.

Sure everyone is for the personal freedom aspect of things until something happens. I'm pretty confident you and every other recreational pot smoker would have no problem having your lawyer tear Chris apart on the stand about his being an occasional pot smoker if you got hurt in an accident in an truck he was driving .

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bagels, I think in certain industries that RPB may or may not be familiar with, its at least somewhat common to have people there whom are frequent users of cocaine.

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You are wrong. My buddy and I blazed up, and then he went up 25' in a tree with a chainsaw. The tree came down exactly as we wanted it, and nobody was even close to being in danger.
Was the tree covered in Cheetos?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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the problem is people arent held accountable for their actions. youre punishing people based of ill conceived notions. you have no idea if someone on drugs is more or less capable than someone who isnt. everyone is different, and thats why it should be up to your doctor to decide in your specific situation on what you should and shouldnt be doing while on whatever substances.
Are you saying that for a large majority of people that drugs won't negatively effect their ability to operate machinery?


depends on what drugs and concentrations they take, which all should be determined by your doctor that knows you and your body and actually knows what those drugs do.
So you are literally saying there are people who can show up to work high and use heavy machinery and be safe?

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.


youre generalizing WAY too much. youre sounding dumb but i know youre not. that is why doctors should be the final rule. they know your body, they know what the drugs you take will do. thats why youre allowed to go to work on vicodin, and while its discouraged that you operate machinery its not always disallowed as long as youre taking the prescribed dosages.

every situation, every drug, every body is DIFFERENT. when you say "drugs" as a blanket term your whole argument is meaningless.

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Chus wrote:
You are wrong. My buddy and I blazed up, and then he went up 25' in a tree with a chainsaw. The tree came down exactly as we wanted it, and nobody was even close to being in danger.


likely a lot safer in that situation because youre paranoid of getting hurt. going up there sober and pissed off that youre doing hard work just leads to carelessness.

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You are wrong. My buddy and I blazed up, and then he went up 25' in a tree with a chainsaw. The tree came down exactly as we wanted it, and nobody was even close to being in danger.


likely a lot safer in that situation because youre paranoid of getting hurt. going up there sober and pissed off that youre doing hard work just leads to carelessness.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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The part where the guy gets fired for something he did in his free time.
I can get fired for plenty of things I do in my free time.

You shouldn't.

Not if it doesnt affect the job or harm anyone.

How does a guy smoking a joint on his couch two weeks earlier affect safety of operating the machinery completely sober two weeks later?
It's unfortunate there isn't a better test for recent marijuana cigarette usage.

I'd be fine if they made an exemption for marijuana if the person was able to pass some sort of sobriety test.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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The part where the guy gets fired for something he did in his free time.
I can get fired for plenty of things I do in my free time.

You shouldn't.

Not if it doesnt affect the job or harm anyone.

How does a guy smoking a joint on his couch two weeks earlier affect safety of operating the machinery completely sober two weeks later?


youre missing his point. he doesnt think anything is wrong because if it was we wouldnt be in this situation. things just magically are the way they are because god wants it this way ... or something like that.

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Drug testing is just another attack on the working man as the CEO snorts lines off his desk.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The part where the guy gets fired for something he did in his free time.
I can get fired for plenty of things I do in my free time.

You shouldn't.

Not if it doesnt affect the job or harm anyone.

How does a guy smoking a joint on his couch two weeks earlier affect safety of operating the machinery completely sober two weeks later?
It's unfortunate there isn't a better test for recent marijuana cigarette usage.

I'd be fine if they made an exemption for marijuana if the person was able to pass some sort of sobriety test.


they have sobriety tests. the fact that a stoned person can pass it no problem when a drunk person cannot probably means the stoned person is really not that impaired.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You are wrong. My buddy and I blazed up, and then he went up 25' in a tree with a chainsaw. The tree came down exactly as we wanted it, and nobody was even close to being in danger.
Was the tree covered in Cheetos?


yes, as well as ben and jerry's chunky monkey.

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Drug testing is just another attack on the working man as the CEO snorts lines off his desk.


or presidents blaze up.

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I'd be fine if they made an exemption for marijuana if the person was able to pass some sort of sobriety test.


oh i have an idea....let's create some sobriety tests that are difficult to impossible to pass while actually sober !


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they have sobriety tests. the fact that a stoned person can pass it no problem when a drunk person cannot probably means the stoned person is really not that impaired.
So how about if someone tests positive for marijuana cigarettes that they are given a sobriety test at the start of work every day for 6 months?

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I'd be fine if they made an exemption for marijuana if the person was able to pass some sort of sobriety test.


oh i have an idea....let's create some sobriety tests that are difficult to impossible to pass while actually sober !
If they want to fire an employee they will just do it.

You can standardize sobriety tests.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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they have sobriety tests. the fact that a stoned person can pass it no problem when a drunk person cannot probably means the stoned person is really not that impaired.
So how about if someone tests positive for marijuana cigarettes that they are given a sobriety test at the start of work every day for 6 months?


that would be a waste of time because they could pass the tests even if theyre stoned.

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Chus wrote:
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You are wrong. My buddy and I blazed up, and then he went up 25' in a tree with a chainsaw. The tree came down exactly as we wanted it, and nobody was even close to being in danger.
Was the tree covered in Cheetos?


yes, as well as ben and jerry's chunky monkey.

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they have sobriety tests. the fact that a stoned person can pass it no problem when a drunk person cannot probably means the stoned person is really not that impaired.
So how about if someone tests positive for marijuana cigarettes that they are given a sobriety test at the start of work every day for 6 months?


that would be a waste of time because they could pass the tests even if theyre stoned.
That is the point! :lol:

You claim there are people that can get high and safely operate heavy machinery. Let them prove it.

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Sure everyone is for the personal freedom aspect of things until something happens. I'm pretty confident you and every other recreational pot smoker would have no problem having your lawyer tear Chris apart on the stand about his being an occasional pot smoker if you got hurt in an accident in an truck he was driving .

But, Im saying I want no testing and that wouldn't even be legal.

If Chris is at fault, he's at fault. If he's not, he's not. I dont need to know whats been in his system for the last 30 days.


And if you're saying, I would take advantage of the unconstitutional law for my own monetary gain, you're daaaammmmnnnn right. But that's not a good argument for the law being just or necassary.

If there was a law that said every time you pass a person of Irish decent you have to give them 10 dollars, Id keep the money but Id know it was wrong.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The part where the guy gets fired for something he did in his free time.
I can get fired for plenty of things I do in my free time.

You shouldn't.

Not if it doesnt affect the job or harm anyone.

How does a guy smoking a joint on his couch two weeks earlier affect safety of operating the machinery completely sober two weeks later?
It's unfortunate there isn't a better test for recent marijuana cigarette usage.

I'd be fine if they made an exemption for marijuana if the person was able to pass some sort of sobriety test.

Yes, that's what makes it ridiculous.

If you said out loud what you were doing, it would sound ridiculous


Hey, this guy was at a red light and got smashed by a teenager who was snapchatting. So now we're going to test the guy to see if he's been stoned at any time in the last 30 days, and if he has, he's fired.


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