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I love how people like JORR jump from people expecting a handout be required to be drug tested to ensure the money GIVEN to them is not used to purchase/use drugs to.....people employed by a company and WORKING for a paycheck, have a chip implanted into their body.

I fully support the drug testing for welfare cases. But after an employee is hired (after drug testing perhaps-I require it), unless that employee shows signs he/she is coming to work intoxicated/high, there is no reason to submit them to any type of monitoring or testing.


I support drug testing and chip implants for ex-cops with painting companies. In my experience they seem a bit unhinged.

By the way, nothing is being "given" to anyone. The rich are throwing a bone to the lower class to stop them from storming the castles. If we went to a straight up system of survival of the fittest, I really doubt a lot of the currently wealthy would remain so.


The more well to do, are separated from a substantial portion of their earnings by the government. There is no "Bone" thrown to the indigent, lazy, uneducated and unskilled portion of the population. The funds are taken by the government and a portion of that which is taken, is distributed afterwards. Charity is something given freely and very different from having taxes imposed that dictate money be taken from an individual, whether he/she wishes the money to be taken or not.

Dude. You stole a company. You were a cop. Let's not pretend you're "skilled".

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What percentage of your tax dollars do you believe go to welfare?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I love how people like JORR jump from people expecting a handout be required to be drug tested to ensure the money GIVEN to them is not used to purchase/use drugs to.....people employed by a company and WORKING for a paycheck, have a chip implanted into their body.

I fully support the drug testing for welfare cases. But after an employee is hired (after drug testing perhaps-I require it), unless that employee shows signs he/she is coming to work intoxicated/high, there is no reason to submit them to any type of monitoring or testing.


I support drug testing and chip implants for ex-cops with painting companies. In my experience they seem a bit unhinged.

By the way, nothing is being "given" to anyone. The rich are throwing a bone to the lower class to stop them from storming the castles. If we went to a straight up system of survival of the fittest, I really doubt a lot of the currently wealthy would remain so.


The more well to do, are separated from a substantial portion of their earnings by the government. There is no "Bone" thrown to the indigent, lazy, uneducated and unskilled portion of the population. The funds are taken by the government and a portion of that which is taken, is distributed afterwards. Charity is something given freely and very different from having taxes imposed that dictate money be taken from an individual, whether he/she wishes the money to be taken or not.


Okay, Steve. I know said you were moving up to the North Shore. You do understand that you'll never be one of them, right? Many of the guys I grew up with view you the way you view the poor people you describe above.


I moved to Winnetka last month. I have so many customers in this town, that it just made perfect sense to live here. I feel right at home and the neighbors have been wonderful. A few came by with flowers and cookies to introduce themselves in the first week. So if that's all an act....okay. I'm happy here.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:14 am 
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What percentage of your tax dollars do you believe go to welfare?


Very little actually. The governmental waste is ridiculous. Defense spending is where the worst offenses are found. But waste in any area is still waste. To give welfare to someone who uses it to buy drugs, essentially means the Government has enabled that drug abuser by supporting his/her drug use.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:31 am 
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Darkside wrote:
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I love how people like JORR jump from people expecting a handout be required to be drug tested to ensure the money GIVEN to them is not used to purchase/use drugs to.....people employed by a company and WORKING for a paycheck, have a chip implanted into their body.

I fully support the drug testing for welfare cases. But after an employee is hired (after drug testing perhaps-I require it), unless that employee shows signs he/she is coming to work intoxicated/high, there is no reason to submit them to any type of monitoring or testing.


I support drug testing and chip implants for ex-cops with painting companies. In my experience they seem a bit unhinged.

By the way, nothing is being "given" to anyone. The rich are throwing a bone to the lower class to stop them from storming the castles. If we went to a straight up system of survival of the fittest, I really doubt a lot of the currently wealthy would remain so.


The more well to do, are separated from a substantial portion of their earnings by the government. There is no "Bone" thrown to the indigent, lazy, uneducated and unskilled portion of the population. The funds are taken by the government and a portion of that which is taken, is distributed afterwards. Charity is something given freely and very different from having taxes imposed that dictate money be taken from an individual, whether he/she wishes the money to be taken or not.

Dude. You stole a company. You were a cop. Let's not pretend you're "skilled".


My customers are all my own. My Dad never developed business on the North Shore. He concentrated on the city and the Oak Park area. I hated the traffic and parking problems and desired work in more affluent areas. You are the biggest asshole ever, for saying I stole anything from my Father though. I resigned from the Police Department when he needed my help. I don't pretend to be skilled, I am skilled. I am a very skilled wallcovering installer. I install wallcoverings that cost over 100 dollars a yard. I have a customer flying me to South Beach on the 22nd-26th to install wallcovering in 2 rooms of his vacation home there. He doesn't trust anyone else to do it. In this area, I am the guy that does more wallpapering than any other contractor. Hand prints, silk, linen....I hang it all and do it well. It's my thing...it's what I do best and I'm as good as anyone and better than most at it. The painting part of the business is important and I think we do a better job of it than most, but it's not really what I focus on as much. But to say that I'm not skilled is as stupid as saying that I stole my business.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
. But waste in any area is still waste. To give welfare to someone who uses it to buy drugs, essentially means the Government has enabled that drug abuser by supporting his/her drug use.


You mean like the waste that is drug testing that has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread ?


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Not surprised that Steve would say he his good at hanging things.

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Wow. Steve has gone national. Congratulations. Have you considered expanding to other countries?

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So Steve is being flown to South Beach by a rich guy to hang up silk wallpaper in the guys sex cavern?

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I honestly thought wallpaper was a thing of the past


Steve also installs shag carpeting. And i'm sure the wallpaper is harvest gold and avocado green


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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
But waste in any area is still waste.

This program to test welfare recipients has been proven to be wasteful. The drug tests for everybody cost more money than what was withheld from drug users.

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But waste in any area is still waste.

This program to test welfare recipients has been proven to be wasteful. The drug tests for everybody cost more money than what was withheld from drug users.


That should end the debate, unless demonizing the poor is your thing.

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It isn't.

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It will be inneresting to see how this goes. It might put an end to the drug testing nonsense. At least for weed in states that allow it for medical purposes.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ ... e-26865087


A graduate student has sued a textile company for refusing to hire her for a two-month internship because she uses medical marijuana to treat frequent and debilitating migraine headaches, a decision her lawyer calls discrimination.

Christine Callaghan, who is studying textiles at the University of Rhode Island, sued Westerly-based Darlington Fabrics Corp. and its parent, the Moore Company, on Wednesday. The Rhode Island chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, which is representing Callaghan, said it believes it's the first lawsuit of its kind in the state.

A lawyer for the company, Timothy Cavazza, said it had not yet been served with the lawsuit and it was company policy not to comment on litigation. He added that they were confident they acted in compliance with state and federal law and that the lawsuit would be dismissed.

Carly Iafrate, the attorney who filed the lawsuit for Callaghan, said if employers are allowed to discriminate against medical marijuana patients, then its legalization would become "an empty promise."

"People with disabilities simply cannot be denied equal employment opportunities on the basis of the type of medication required to treat their particular condition," she said.

Employment discrimination lawsuits have appeared in other states that have legalized medical marijuana. Patients who have been fired, disciplined or denied a job after testing positive for the drug have previously sued in states including New Mexico, Maine, Colorado and New Jersey.

Rhode Island legalized marijuana for medical purposes in 2006, although pot is still illegal under federal law. To use it, patients must get a doctor's OK and an identification card from the state. According to the lawsuit filed in superior court, Callaghan received her medical marijuana card in February 2013.

The lawsuit says Callaghan was looking for an internship for credit toward her masters' degree over the summer, and a professor connected her with Darlington Fabrics. After working out the details of the paid, for-credit internship, she was asked to meet with the company's human resources department. The lawsuit says the meeting was a formality and prior to it, "all indications were that Callaghan would have the position."

During that meeting, she disclosed that she had a medical condition and held a medical marijuana card, according to the lawsuit. She said she would not bring the drug to the company or use it before work. A few days later, the lawsuit says, she was called by two company employees who told her "they could not employ Callaghan because of her status as a medical marijuana patient."

Callaghan says as a result, she was unable to find a new summer internship, jeopardizing her ability to graduate on time, and was forced to disclose her medical condition to her professors.

The lawsuit says Darlington's actions violated state law that protects qualified medical marijuana users from employment discrimination. It asks for unspecified damages and legal fees.

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I honestly thought wallpaper was a thing of the past


It isn't.



Quite to the contrary, it's very much in again. Phillip Jeffries grass cloth is one of the more popular wallcoverings today, with many selections costing $900.00 or more per roll. The Silks, Linen and Suede wallcoverings can be over $100.00 per single yard. It's not the kind of thing an inexperienced person is entrusted with. Mistakes made with such materials can be very costly. Faux finishing has come and gone. That is a thing of the past.....now. But in another 15 years, it may be popular again. But wallpaper is very much in fashion once again. But it's much more likely to be in evidence in Lincoln Park, than in Rogers Park in Chicago.

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I honestly thought wallpaper was a thing of the past


It isn't.



Quite to the contrary, it's very much in again. Phillip Jeffries grass cloth is one of the more popular wallcoverings today, with many selections costing $900.00 or more per roll. The Silks, Linen and Suede wallcoverings can be over $100.00 per single yard. It's not the kind of thing an inexperienced person is entrusted with. Mistakes made with such materials can be very costly. Faux finishing has come and gone. That is a thing of the past.....now. But in another 15 years, it may be popular again. But wallpaper is very much in fashion once again. But it's much more likely to be in evidence in Lincoln Park, than in Rogers Park in Chicago.
Wallpaper is very popular in the sex cavern industry still. Not so much for houses designed for multidimensional use.

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Court Ends Drug Tests for Welfare Applicants in Florida

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Michigan is the latest state to implement this policy, that has failed in every state in which it was implemented. How do these clowns get elected?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ecipients/

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Michigan is the latest state to implement this policy, that has failed in every state in which it was implemented. How do these clowns get elected?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ecipients/

My favorite part of this is when people share the story on Facebook, it shows three related stories underneath and they are always about the testing being a complete waste.


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Michigan is the latest state to implement this policy, that has failed in every state in which it was implemented. How do these clowns get elected?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ecipients/


because people vote against their own interests. they dont pay attention to the people they vote for, and even when they do they simply pick the guy who either looks better OR is on the right party line.

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Here we go, again.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/0 ... t-welfare/

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Interesting article. A bigger problem is unemployment system abuse. Apparently some people collect unemployment and other needs based assistance, and then work cash (under the table) jobs which would otherwise exclude them from the benefits. That is a double negative for the government, because they are paying out ineligible benefits and not collecting taxes on wage income.

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a double negative would be someone on welfare and unemployment at the same time

but working while on unemployment is legal. in most states, it is perfectly OK to make as much money as possible if you are self employed. this way they are still collecting income tax from you too. so all you do is find a cash job and call yourself a consultant. You can even tell the unemployment office you are making money on the side through your own business, its in their rule book as OK. the only catch is if you make them think youre making enough money to support yourself they will end your unemployment, but that decision is arbitrary.

the number of people who abuse the unemployment system is low. its actually hard to cheat it in wisconsin because they do a really good job of monitoring people that are on it. most people just take their sweet time finding a job, because they are supposed to. the state tells you to find a GOOD job, dont just take the first one you find. if you go 3 months on unemployment and you still havent found a good job, then its time to take what you can.

so dont blame people for milking the system. the system actually forces you to go to classes that teach you to USE the system to its advantage.

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Tennessee’s Drug Tests Of Welfare Recipients Find 37 Drug Users

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/0 ... ix-months/

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Tennessee’s Welfare Drug Tests Caught Exactly 10 Drug Users In The Last Six Months

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Tennessee’s Drug Tests Of Welfare Recipients Find 37 Drug Users

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/0 ... ix-months/


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