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Let's disparage Cutler in every way possible. When he succeeds let's trivialize it. When he fails let's hammer him. When he makes decisions that he believes are best for his family let's mock him. You guys are the worst.

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When he succeeds let's trivialize it.
Let's stop talking in hypotheticals. You don't know how we'd react to him succeeding.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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When he succeeds let's trivialize it.
Let's stop talking in hypotheticals. You don't know how we'd react to him succeeding.


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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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When he succeeds let's trivialize it.
What has he done that has been successful this year? The offense hasn't scored more than 28 points yet.

Career year? He leads the league in turnovers. That is a terrible "Career year" Nas. Even you know this. Doesn't matter if you are trolling or not, you are coming off looking like a total moron. You are smarter and better than this.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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He's going to break just about every Bears QB record and likely finish in the top 10 in nearly every important QB stat. He's having a better statistical year than a lot of QBs that will make the playoffs. He still has a great chance of producing the season Rick and others said that they wouldn't complain about. Stop trying to diminish what he's doing Frank. I'm not going to call you names because I was raised better than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Nas wrote:
He still has a great chance of producing the season Rick and others said that they wouldn't complain about.

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Outperform 2 of these 3 players: Stafford, Romo, Ryan. Throw at least 30 touchdowns with a td/int ratio of 2 to 1. Throw for over 4,000 yards. Lead the team to a winning record. Stay healthy enough to do so.

You know, be a poor mans Philip Rivers.
Not likely to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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What has he done that has been successful this year? The offense hasn't scored more than 28 points yet.
Reply please, Nas. State multiple examples of this.

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He still has a great chance of producing the season Rick and others said that they wouldn't complain about.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Outperform 2 of these 3 players: Stafford, Romo, Ryan. Throw at least 30 touchdowns with a td/int ratio of 2 to 1. Throw for over 4,000 yards. Lead the team to a winning record. Stay healthy enough to do so.

You know, be a poor mans Philip Rivers.
Not likely to happen.


Everything is very likely except the winning record.

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What has he done that has been successful this year? The offense hasn't scored more than 28 points yet.
Reply please, Nas. State multiple examples of this.


I posted what he's done. Scoring more than 28 points isn't the only sign of a successful QB.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He still has a great chance of producing the season Rick and others said that they wouldn't complain about.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Outperform 2 of these 3 players: Stafford, Romo, Ryan. Throw at least 30 touchdowns with a td/int ratio of 2 to 1. Throw for over 4,000 yards. Lead the team to a winning record. Stay healthy enough to do so.

You know, be a poor mans Philip Rivers.
Not likely to happen.


Everything is very likely except the winning record.
..and outperforming 2 of those 3, and the td/int ratio.

He may get to 30 touchdowns and 4,000 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Okay so what's the goal here? Becoming the Carmelo Anthony of QBs? Worked well for Anthony I guess. Big time stats on crap teams. Cutler's got the crap team thing down this year (though not every year to be fair), so maybe the stats will come later.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
He still has a great chance of producing the season Rick and others said that they wouldn't complain about.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Outperform 2 of these 3 players: Stafford, Romo, Ryan. Throw at least 30 touchdowns with a td/int ratio of 2 to 1. Throw for over 4,000 yards. Lead the team to a winning record. Stay healthy enough to do so.

You know, be a poor mans Philip Rivers.
Not likely to happen.


Everything is very likely except the winning record.
..and outperforming 2 of those 3, and the td/int ratio.

He may get to 30 touchdowns and 4,000 yards.



He's going to outperform 2 of the 3 and possibly all 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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He's going to outperform 2 of the 3 and possibly all 3.
He isn't right now though. Romo is clearly playing better. Ryan slightly better. Stafford slightly worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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What has he done that has been successful this year? The offense hasn't scored more than 28 points yet.
Reply please, Nas. State multiple examples of this.


I posted what he's done.
No you haven't. You said 'he is likely to set Bears records.' I don't care what he "might" do, I care about what he has done. So, other than lead the league in turnovers and lose 6 games, please list some examples of what Cutler has done so well this year.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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What has he done that has been successful this year? The offense hasn't scored more than 28 points yet.
Reply please, Nas. State multiple examples of this.


I posted what he's done.
No you haven't. You said 'he is likely to set Bears records.' I don't care what he "might" do, I care about what he has done. So, other than lead the league in turnovers and lose 6 games, please list some examples of what Cutler has done so well this year.


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... ry=PASSING

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He's going to outperform 2 of the 3 and possibly all 3.
He isn't right now though. Romo is clearly playing better. Ryan slightly better. Stafford slightly worse.


December isn't kind to Romo but Romo has been better.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Ok, Nas. He is 10th in the league in passing. Maybe you should take a look at some other stats in that link you posted.

Cutler is 13th in yards per game, 14th in rating, 16th in yards per attempt, 7th in touchdowns, FIRST in INTs, FIRST in fumbles.
And ESPN has him 16th in total QBR.

So pretty much Cutler is middle of the pack. Its a good thing you posted that link so show how Cutler really is doing this year. He is mediocre at best. Glad you have finally come around to that realization.

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Per Adam Jahns Sun Times article



Cutler needs to show some signs of bouncing back because he appears to have regressed in Year 2 under Trestman. It’s a fair time to compare, too, considering he’s thrown 330 passes in nine games this season after having 355 attempts during an injury-shortened 2013.

Cutler is having a late-career sophomore slump of sorts, and that’s a major problem considering the team’s investment in him and its belief in Trestman. The $15.5 million base salary that Cutler is set to earn next season ranks 10th in the league.

Cutler is responsible for 15 of the Bears’ 18 turnovers, but there are other numbers that also illustrate his struggles:

◆ Cutler’s statistics have been enhanced by garbage-time production. If you omit his second-half numbers against the Packers and Patriots (considering the Bears trailed 42-0 and 38-7 at halftime in those game), his rating drops to 89.8, which is just barely better than his career-best 89.2 mark in 2013.

That may not be decisively different from his 92.8 passer rating this season. But consider this: Cutler had 14 first-half possessions against the Packers and Patriots and came through with just one touchdown. The Packers’ and Patriots’ offenses combined for 73 points.

◆ Advanced statistics, such as ESPN’s QBR (total quarterback rating) and Pro Football Focus’ quarterback ratings, also show a decline.

Cutler currently has 57.4 QBR, which values a quarterback on all plays, after finishing with a career-best 66.4 mark in 2013. His career average is 53.6.

Cutler’s PFF quarterback rating is 83.09, which factors in drops, spikes, throwaways and receiver production. He had a 91.47 mark in 2013 and an 84.67 rating in 2012 under offensive coordinator Mike Tice.

◆ According to STATS, Cutler’s success on third downs has decreased. He has completed 57.9 percent of his passes on third downs for 621 yards, eight touchdowns, four interceptions, seven sacks and a 97.5 rating.

In 11 games in 2013, Cutler completed 60.6 percent of his passes on third downs for 769 yards, nine touchdowns, three interceptions, six sacks and a 102.6 rating.

◆ The Bears simply aren’t getting the bang for their buck. According to spotrac.com, a sports contracts website that’s partnered with the Pro Football Writers of America, Cutler is the NFL’s worst-value quarterback.

The site mathematically compares pay to production. Most of the best quarterbacks have minus ratings because of their high salaries. But Cutler’s league-worst minus-18.22 grade definitely stands out when compared to Tony Romo’s minus-2.45, Joe Flacco’s minus-8.35 or Matthew Stafford’s minus-9.82
Cutler’s production also made the Bears’ the worst-value team after Week 10.

“When the highest paid player in the NFL (Cutler) puts up a dud performance, the overall value of the team really has no chance,” Spotrac.com wrote.


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Only you believe that. He's been top 5 or 10 all year in nearly every important statistical category.

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30 turnovers and 30 tds isn't a quarterback I really want to rally behind.

Oh and he'll be lucky if he leads them to 6 wins.

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Only you believe that. He's been top 5 or 10 all year in nearly every important statistical category.


What do you define as the "important statistical categories" for quarterbacks?

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I would consider interceptions and fumbles to be very important. Cutler leads the league in those two stats.

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I've been told interceptions and turnovers don't matter.

In that case neither does touchdowns and passing yards.

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I would consider interceptions and fumbles to be very important. Cutler leads the league in those two stats.


I haven't seen a list of stats for QBs that includes fumbles.

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To be accurate, Cutler is tied for second in the NFL with 10 interceptions. Blake Bortles is the league-leader with 14.

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Only you believe that. He's been top 5 or 10 all year in nearly every important statistical category.


What do you define as the "important statistical categories" for quarterbacks?


Yards
Touchdowns
QB rating
1st downs
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Yards middle of the pack
Touchdowns Top 10, but barely hanging in. This is trending down
QB rating middle of the pack
1st downs Trending down again
Completion percentage top ten, again trending down
Passing plays of 40+ yards Near the bottom
Interceptions #2 in the league

Very pedestrian stats, Nas.

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