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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:07 pm 
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Wait really? I had no idea that Camilo and Santiago went to Gordon. Funny, I was a huge Naked Raygun fan (probably saw them 15+ times over the years).

Mike O'Connell was 3 years older than me but graduated with my brother. I saw R.O.T.A. play a number of gigs - including Igloo, Club Stodola, The Rusty Nail, etc back in the day - when they were a hardcore band ('Child! Adult!) with that guy that went on to be in White Zombie. Before they became the schlock Kiss thing (which I really liked).

I graduated with Steve Amella who was in a cool hardcore band called Insolent Respect - did a good gig with Corrosion of Conformity at The Bank on Lincoln if I recall correctly. Then there was that Jeff guy (tall long hair dude) who played bass in Impulse Manslaughter and went on to replace Joe Losurdo in a bizarre incarnation of Life Sentence. I also think there was a guy who had a cup of coffee (drums maybe?) with Fat Ted and the boys in Generation Waste.

Ah, I miss the old hardcore days....


Meehan, Durango, and Gonzalez were two or three years ahead of me. They started what I consider the first real punk band in Chicago, Silver Abuse. When we were in high school they ran an alternative Student Council ticket with a real burnout named Michael Oakleaf for president. I think they probably won, but those Resurrectionist preists and brothers weren't having it and gave the election to the usual dorks.

I didn't know Birdshit was a Gordon guy. Hell, I didn't even know Amella was his last name. Were you at the show we played with Insolent Respect at the Latvian Club on Elston?

I also didn't know Jeff Hauck was in Impulse Manslaughter. They were always changing bass players and singers at the beginning. Glen Herman doesn't like to talk about the fact that they started out as a schlocky metal band in my friend Rich's attic on Richmond. They were called Asmodeus. I still remember one of their lyrics:

Asmodeus
or Lucifer
Whichever, you prefer
The name is Satan
Come, sinful one
Hell is waiting

Have you seen my Rock and Roll thread? You might find some of it interesting:

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I'll check out that thread. What band where you in? Chances are I know the band and we may even know each other outside of the forum from the 'scene'. If there was a hardcore show between say 1984 and 1989, I was there. Everything from 'big' bands like GBH/CroMags/LostCause at Metro, Ludichrist at Dreamerz, Exploited/7 Secs at Medusas, GWAR and UK Subs at Cubby Bear, GG Allin and The Meatmen at Igloo and all sorts shit in-between. Then all the local bands like Life Sentence, Lost Cause (who always got the great gigs with bigger bands), Insolent, Impulse, No Empathy, ID Under, ROTA, Generation Waste, Sharon Tate's Baby, Nadsat Rebel, Violent Tumor and of course the really good Chicago bands like Raygun and Out of Order.

And yeah, that was the guy's name - Hauck. Tall long haired dude that really didn't talk much. I'm pretty sure he was in Impulse. Might have it backwards. I do know he played in that post-Losurdo incarnation of Life Sentence that had Gus Roman from Lost Cause on drums and crazy, drugged out Erick Brockman singing in between bong hits. 'Win, Lose or Sue'

And 'Birdshit' - didn't know Amella went by that. Dude was scary smart, but a whack job. I remember going to his house after school to be part of their jams. Tony Niles (had a big 'hawk) was the lead singer and cool dude. Don't remember a Latvian place, but I may have been there. I do remember the gig they played at The Bank when C.O.C. used to be a hardcore band and not the Skynrd meets Sabbath southern thing they became. It was the 'Technocracy' era when Simon Bob Sinister was the singer. We all wound up partying heavily in a backyard - these twin skinheads that went to St. Bens - Moe and Evil Giddy. Not a lot of Mexican twin skins around. The Insolent guys, the guys from ID Under, Marc from No Empathy and the guys from a really good hardcore band called Number Nine. Hell, even thing KC and everyone's favorite Chicago hardcore whipping boy Joe Kelly from Lost Cause where there. Fun times for a 17 year catholic school kid.

Ok, here's Chicago trivia - remember all those goofy skinhead dudes that used to roam around Belmont and Clark (by the Dunkin Donuts) and the Army Surplus store at night and used to sleep/drink in that park on the corner of Fullerton/Lincoln/Halsted by WaxTrax during the days? There were the SHOCK guys from the south side, but then you had KC from Lost Cause, Darrell (I think he went to Lane - used to bounce at Medusa's) and that crazy black skin guy - I think his name was Duane? Running story was that the dude had killed like 500 people!


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Ok, here's Chicago trivia - remember all those goofy skinhead dudes that used to roam around Belmont and Clark (by the Dunkin Donuts) and the Army Surplus store at night and used to sleep/drink in that park on the corner of Fullerton/Lincoln/Halsted by WaxTrax during the days? There were the SHOCK guys from the south side, but then you had KC from Lost Cause, Darrell (I think he went to Lane - used to bounce at Medusa's) and that crazy black skin guy - I think his name was Duane? Running story was that the dude had killed like 500 people!



I don't think Duane ever killed anyone. Sonny, on the other hand, maybe. :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Ok, here's Chicago trivia - remember all those goofy skinhead dudes that used to roam around Belmont and Clark (by the Dunkin Donuts) and the Army Surplus store at night and used to sleep/drink in that park on the corner of Fullerton/Lincoln/Halsted by WaxTrax during the days? There were the SHOCK guys from the south side, but then you had KC from Lost Cause, Darrell (I think he went to Lane - used to bounce at Medusa's) and that crazy black skin guy - I think his name was Duane? Running story was that the dude had killed like 500 people!



I don't think Duane ever killed anyone. Sonny, on the other hand, maybe. :lol:


Yep. That's it!

Duane was a white guy - kinda nice guy if I remember. Darrell was the bouncer at Medusa's and kind of a dick. Both had spider web elbow tats.

Sonny was the crazy black guy. That fucking guy was scary. Like all things though, don't know if he was really like that or if it was the reputation. Either way, I wanted no part of that fucking guy. If I recall, he looked like the actor 'Bokeem Woodbine'

[img]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/08/02/previews/Bokeem%20Woodbine-AES-076967.jpg/img]


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550Spyder wrote:
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550Spyder wrote:
Ok, here's Chicago trivia - remember all those goofy skinhead dudes that used to roam around Belmont and Clark (by the Dunkin Donuts) and the Army Surplus store at night and used to sleep/drink in that park on the corner of Fullerton/Lincoln/Halsted by WaxTrax during the days? There were the SHOCK guys from the south side, but then you had KC from Lost Cause, Darrell (I think he went to Lane - used to bounce at Medusa's) and that crazy black skin guy - I think his name was Duane? Running story was that the dude had killed like 500 people!



I don't think Duane ever killed anyone. Sonny, on the other hand, maybe. :lol:


Yep. That's it!

Duane was a white guy - kinda nice guy if I remember. Darrell was the bouncer at Medusa's and kind of a dick. Both had spider web elbow tats.

Sonny was the crazy black guy. That fucking guy was scary. Like all things though, don't know if he was really like that or if it was the reputation. Either way, I wanted no part of that fucking guy. If I recall, he looked like the actor 'Bokeem Woodbine'

[img]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/08/02/previews/Bokeem%20Woodbine-AES-076967.jpg/img]



Dwayne is a black guy. Former Golden Gloves boxer. Splatter and Noth are the white guys that bounced at Medusa's. Splatter has spider webs on his elbow and his head. I think Jerry Rodgers worked the door there too. Marty and Mickey were black skins that headed up Anti-Racist Action. Some people called them the "Mickeyskins". Sonny was crazy. He had that U.S. SKINS tattoo right across his forehead.

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I know I posted a link to this once before. Maybe you remember this shit:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
550Spyder wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
550Spyder wrote:
Ok, here's Chicago trivia - remember all those goofy skinhead dudes that used to roam around Belmont and Clark (by the Dunkin Donuts) and the Army Surplus store at night and used to sleep/drink in that park on the corner of Fullerton/Lincoln/Halsted by WaxTrax during the days? There were the SHOCK guys from the south side, but then you had KC from Lost Cause, Darrell (I think he went to Lane - used to bounce at Medusa's) and that crazy black skin guy - I think his name was Duane? Running story was that the dude had killed like 500 people!



I don't think Duane ever killed anyone. Sonny, on the other hand, maybe. :lol:


Yep. That's it!

Duane was a white guy - kinda nice guy if I remember. Darrell was the bouncer at Medusa's and kind of a dick. Both had spider web elbow tats.

Sonny was the crazy black guy. That fucking guy was scary. Like all things though, don't know if he was really like that or if it was the reputation. Either way, I wanted no part of that fucking guy. If I recall, he looked like the actor 'Bokeem Woodbine'

[img]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/08/02/previews/Bokeem%20Woodbine-AES-076967.jpg/img]



Dwayne is a black guy. Former Golden Gloves boxer. Splatter and Noth are the white guys that bounced at Medusa's. Splatter has spider webs on his elbow and his head. I think Jerry Rodgers worked the door there too. Marty and Mickey were black skins that headed up Anti-Racist Action. Some people called them the "Mickeyskins". Sonny was crazy. He had that U.S. SKINS tattoo right across his forehead.


Ah, now it's all coming back. There was one of those skins (white dude) who always floated around the pits like he was on acid (I'd bet he was). Jerry was a dick. Remember Ron Plantz from Gordon? He was a hotshot football player guy? Well, he beat the shit out of Jerry Rogers at some party we were at in Rogers Park (Junior Terrace). I remember cuz the cops came.

BTW, did you know Fat Ted? He was the guitar player for Generation Waste and I think did some shit with Impulse? Good guy. I knew him since I was little - our parents grew up together! He used to put on all those shows at the Warehouse. Dan Shaeffer sung for Generation Waste - remember that tape? 'When push comes to shove...hate will rise above'. And their cover of 'We're Gonna Fight'.
That tape actually had pretty good recording quality. Frank was the drummer and also played in Devastation. Their singer (Duane) lived across the street from us on Patterson and they rehearsed there. I used to go over there and hang out a lot. I remember they did a really good cover of 'Generals' by GBH (and 'Black Magic' by Slayer).

And while not 'punk, a band that always had a good crossover following was Zoetrope - remember Barry Stern? NATAS was also in that world.

Ah, the good old days.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
550Spyder wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
550Spyder wrote:
Ok, here's Chicago trivia - remember all those goofy skinhead dudes that used to roam around Belmont and Clark (by the Dunkin Donuts) and the Army Surplus store at night and used to sleep/drink in that park on the corner of Fullerton/Lincoln/Halsted by WaxTrax during the days? There were the SHOCK guys from the south side, but then you had KC from Lost Cause, Darrell (I think he went to Lane - used to bounce at Medusa's) and that crazy black skin guy - I think his name was Duane? Running story was that the dude had killed like 500 people!



I don't think Duane ever killed anyone. Sonny, on the other hand, maybe. :lol:


Yep. That's it!

Duane was a white guy - kinda nice guy if I remember. Darrell was the bouncer at Medusa's and kind of a dick. Both had spider web elbow tats.

Sonny was the crazy black guy. That fucking guy was scary. Like all things though, don't know if he was really like that or if it was the reputation. Either way, I wanted no part of that fucking guy. If I recall, he looked like the actor 'Bokeem Woodbine'

[img]http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/08/02/previews/Bokeem%20Woodbine-AES-076967.jpg/img]



Dwayne is a black guy. Former Golden Gloves boxer. Splatter and Noth are the white guys that bounced at Medusa's. Splatter has spider webs on his elbow and his head. I think Jerry Rodgers worked the door there too. Marty and Mickey were black skins that headed up Anti-Racist Action. Some people called them the "Mickeyskins". Sonny was crazy. He had that U.S. SKINS tattoo right across his forehead.

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Did you guys know Maddog?


Of course! I heard he died, but that could be bullshit. I've heard guys died before and suddenly they came back to life.

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Remember Ron Plantz from Gordon? He was a hotshot football player guy? Well, he beat the shit out of Jerry Rogers at some party we were at in Rogers Park (Junior Terrace). I remember cuz the cops came.



Ron Plantz and Jerry Rodgers at the same party. Talk about worlds colliding! :lol: I'm guessing Fricke and Sheffield were there.

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Of course! I heard he died, but that could be bullshit. I've heard guys died before and suddenly they came back to life.

Yeah I heard the same. Dude that scared the shit out of me was Thor. Don't know if he was much into the music scene but he hung around Exit a lot .

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To be honest, I did know a lot of the 'characters'. Yes, I hung out at Medusas (early night and 'late night') and went to every hardcore show, but unlike so many who did the whole 'I'm a runaway and squat on people's couches' - I was anything but. I was just a normal high school kid. Went to Gordon, played football and baseball for a few years, had an after school job at Sears at 6 Corners and went to as many hardcore shows as a could.

While all the other dopes were running around pretending to be homeless New Orleans kids, I was trying to make some money so that I could put gas into my '77 Plymouth Volare. I was much more interested in hitting on the suburban new wave girls than running with all the 'scene' dopes.

I had a pretty small group of guys that I went to shows with - some random punk/metal guys from school (Birdshit, others) and my one main buddy Martin. He went to Lincoln Park and had a foot high 'hawk. Guy was insanely smart. Wound up going to Harvard or Yale or something and may even have been a Rhodes scholar. He was heavy into all the British stuff (GBH, Discharge, Crass, Oi Polloi, English Dogs, Exploited). He got me hooked on Broken Bones and GISM.


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I had a pretty small group of guys that I went to shows with - some random punk/metal guys from school (Birdshit, others) and my one main buddy Martin. He went to Lincoln Park and had a foot high 'hawk. Guy was insanely smart. Wound up going to Harvard or Yale or something and may even have been a Rhodes scholar. He was heavy into all the British stuff (GBH, Discharge, Crass, Oi Polloi, English Dogs, Exploited). He got me hooked on Broken Bones and GISM.


That's gotta be Billheimer.

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This is something I actually know quite a bit about and definitely get a kick out of hearing Dan read those spots. Like NCM said, part of Hughes' business model is to buy up leftover juice lots that either aren't good enough or are just extra, and then blend them into his own "Lot XXX". Another option is he'll contact grape growers who have extra grapes available beyond what they previously contracted to sell to other wineries, scoop those up and pay a 3rd party to press them into his own juice/wine. His claims of "$150 wine for $50" aren't that crazy when you consider that he might be buying up extra juice from three or four wineries that all sell their cabernet for $150 and blending into his own franken-wine that he then sells for $50. In most cases the "scraps" that he's buying up either aren't enough juice to for the wineries to bottle on their own, so his model does fill a niche need within the wine grower/producer world.

One area that pushes the envelope for me though is on a couple of the videos on Hughes' site. He talks about single, specific vineyards that his grapes and juice are sourced from, but the label of the bottle doesn't specifically mention a vineyard. That's a pretty big B.S. Meter/Red Flag for me because there are really strict labeling laws about what you can and can't put on a label. You can only label a wine as a specific vineyard if 95% of the wine in that bottle was sourced from that vineyard. The laws don't extend to what you can "say" about a wine, which is the marketing loophole that Hughes is jumping through. Same thing with the juice too...if you call a wine a "Cabernet," only 75% of the juice in that bottle has to be from Cabernet grapes. So while Hughes' "$150-$200 wines" might be sourced from some of those same areas, there's always the possibility that 25% of that bottle is sourced from relatively low value vineyards and sources to bring his overall cost down.

Sorry if this is TMI....the funny thing is for the price (especially with Dan's coupon code) and free shipping some of his stuff isn't all that bad. In fact I might try a blind tasting with some of my wine nerd friends just to see if any of Hughes' claims hold any water against some well known, higher end wineries.


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