100% correct!

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I don't follow Brick closely, but is this a Brick thing? Someone calls out his CSFMB cred, and he turtles into an obsequious blowhard?

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Yes.

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Let me know your secrets.

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There's a button which says "Log off". There's also a button that says "Post Reply".

I'm not gonna get all Obi-Wan, only you can choose which side of The Force you will wander...

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Rick is fine. I was baited by an innocent joking FF post. My fault.


Rick is still very, very wrong about payroll, but I was in the wrong in handling the discussion like a jerk.


Hopefully we can start to put the pieces back together...someday....

I can't believe Hahn gave some soft-tossing lefty middle reliever who made $850,000 last season $15 million for three years. Talk about paying for past performance. An inauspicious beginning to the 2014-15 off season.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It's a gamble.


5 million per year is nothing

Today is a new day, and I'm very happy that the White Sox don't have a top 12 payroll! That would suck.

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Is this one of those exercises where you have to argue the other guy's side?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Really?

Still?

5 million is not a contract that hurts you.

I think I'm the first person on this board who has ever gotten grief for saying the White Sox aren't committed to winning because they are cheap.

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The Sox MUST upgrade their bullpen, JoeOrr. Its going to take money (and patience, and time...) to do it. And do it well. $5mil a year is pretty much a bargain rate for an effective lefty relief pitcher.


It would suck if that payroll was made up of guys like Dunn and Rios. Lets see what the roster looks like 8 weeks from now. Its not even Thanksgiving yet.

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Didnt happen.

If there are specific players that you think they should get and make sense and they dont pony up, then criticize away.

To worry about your place in the payroll rankings, rather than just making deals that make sense is a bad idea.

Free agent spending sprees almost never work. As you saw in your research.

This guy gets it /\

It doesn't matter what I think. The Sox are in need of upgrades at multiple positions. Go out and find some people that can help with that even if you have to overpay for it.
It does matter. Teams with higher payrolls win more. Now, if you want to be, to use your term, obtuse rpb, you can pretend like I am saying they should just hand out $100 million a year to one guy so they can be high on that ranking, but obviously that is not what I mean.
Oh, but things are going so great for the White Sox otherwise!

If it makes you feel better, the Sox better be active in free agency this year because they need to start winning now and that is the best way to accomplish that. If that makes me wrong then so be it.

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Your stance started with declaring the Cubs should be in the top 5 in payroll this year. Then it became top 8. Then you said, maybe by next year.


Dont act like your position hasnt been amended multiple times


But whatever. We disagree on a philosophical level on how to improve the teams.


Who do you want the White Sox to target? (I understand you are not the GM...yet)


I think if you look at it on a player by player basis you'll see that adding a ton of payroll this year (and most years with the exception of rare FA frenzy years) is not wise.

Also, when you sign a bunch of free agents, you're usually screwing yourself long term (unless you're the Yankees and will pay people 20 million to not play)

Thats why sustained success (which I believe is the best way to try and win a WS) is usually a mixture of mostly homegrown players and a free agent part here and there.

No. It was top 8 all along. I then amended it based on your input that it would be fine if it took two years as long as they were active this year and simply ran out of quality options. You know, me being flexible in an argument and acknowledging your point? The same thing you've complained about me NOT doing previously you are now complaining about me doing? It's becoming painfully obvious I just can't win in these baseball discussions.

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Right. You actually said they should be in the top 4. You said three teams should outspend them. Its right there in the quote.



Terrible thoughts. You dont overpay for the sake of a higher payroll. This is getting comical. And spending does not equal competing. You need to understand that.


Yes, the Cubs should be in the top 10 area organically. Signing free agents that make sense and re signing good homegrown talent, not spending foolishly to prove you want to win (The Mets model that never ever works)

You're looking at it backwards. I think the Cubs and any team that want to win should draft well, make smart free agent moves (not neccessarily big ones) and resign great players and when that happens they end up in the top 10 eventually.

But if you hit on a bunch of draft picks and smart signings and win that way, that's awesome and it would be extremely foolish to criticize the team or think they should "find somewhere to spend the money"

So, I never said top 5, AND I mentioned the next two years. Things are falling apart.

Just move on from it. You don't have to invent what I actually was saying. I stand by my statement that a team like the Cubs should have a top 8 payroll, though as you pointed out, it may take two years to get there. The Sox should have a top 12 payroll.
Yes. Of course they should. They shouldn't miss out on a guy they want just because they have to "overpay". They should have a higher payroll. It's way too low for a team that wants to sell that it is competing.

I'll just counter with one of your posts.

And yet, here you are, saying it is wrong for me to think the Sox should always be in the top 12.

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Right. You actually said they should be in the top 4. You said three teams should outspend them. Its right there in the quote.



Terrible thoughts. You dont overpay for the sake of a higher payroll. This is getting comical. And spending does not equal competing. You need to understand that.


Yes, the Cubs should be in the top 10 area organically. Signing free agents that make sense and re signing good homegrown talent, not spending foolishly to prove you want to win (The Mets model that never ever works)

You're looking at it backwards. I think the Cubs and any team that want to win should draft well, make smart free agent moves (not neccessarily big ones) and resign great players and when that happens they end up in the top 10 eventually.

But if you hit on a bunch of draft picks and smart signings and win that way, that's awesome and it would be extremely foolish to criticize the team or think they should "find somewhere to spend the money"

You should look into teams salaries and see who they pay. You really just have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the payroll works and what goes into it.

There are very few free agent spending sprees. MLB teams have moved on because they dont work. You should want the Sox to draft and develop players who are good enough to demand a high salary instead of wanting them to sign old free agents

I don't know how many times I have to tell you what I'm actually saying before you believe it. I'm done trying.

I'll just accept that my thoughts are terrible.

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Its obvious what you're saying. You have this terrible idea that the teams should spend in the name of spending or find a place to spend and you've been trying to spin it into something else for two days now.




Correct in this instance.

It's about time!

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rpb, in his own words:




I guess the whole "Ricketts wasn't willing to spend" excuse is gone!

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More bad comprehension on your part

I've consistently (including the last two days) said they should spend when it makes sense.

Just stop, dude. You had a bad thought about a subject that you dont even follow that closely. It's fine.

These two statements seem to contradict eachother.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Not really

Buying a one dollar scratch off is a gamble


Honestly, 5 million is not that much. Its not like if he sucks you have to run him out there becuase of his salary. That is my point.

I can find many more quotes where you defend Theo's slow rebuild based on the unwillingness of Ricketts to spend.

Oh, but you are saying that you should "spend when it makes sense"! Well, that is much different than me who said they should make moves that don't make sense. I'm pretty embarrassed. My "make moves that don't make sense" idea was pretty bad. Thank you for showing me the light.

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