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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:33 am 
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Not sure if we watched the same defense. For years the Bears defense would be fine as long as Urlacher never missed time. When he went out they were average at best. That changed the last few years. The Bears plugged the next guy in at just about every position (including MLB) and we're still good.

I blame Emery and not Trestman for the defense. He picked the players and the coordinator.

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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:16 am 
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Not sure if we watched the same defense. For years the Bears defense would be fine as long as Urlacher never missed time. When he went out they were average at best. That changed the last few years. The Bears plugged the next guy in at just about every position (including MLB) and we're still good.

I blame Emery and not Trestman for the defense. He picked the players and the coordinator.


Maybe we weren't? Urlacher played all 16 games in 2007 and 2008, and they were still average (16th both years) without a good pass rusher. In 2009 when Urlacher was out, and they still had no pass rusher, they slipped to 21st. In 2010 the Bears signed Peppers, which coincided with their return to a dominant defense. Urlacher played all 16 games in 2010 and 2011, but yeah he did miss four games in 2012 and they dealt with that better than I would have thought. (Though thinking about that Seattle game still makes my stomach turn)

Agree about Emery.


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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
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Nas wrote:
Not sure if we watched the same defense. For years the Bears defense would be fine as long as Urlacher never missed time. When he went out they were average at best. That changed the last few years. The Bears plugged the next guy in at just about every position (including MLB) and we're still good.

I blame Emery and not Trestman for the defense. He picked the players and the coordinator.


not hard to be better than a historically bad defense.

lovies teams beat up on the below .500 teams with bad and rookie qbs that threw the ball away.

Good QBs always easily moved under Lovies cover 2, got into the red zone. Takeaways are great, but to rely upon them when playing playoff teams isnt a good plan....but looked good in the total stats.

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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:09 pm 
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Nas wrote:
Not sure if we watched the same defense. For years the Bears defense would be fine as long as Urlacher never missed time. When he went out they were average at best. That changed the last few years. The Bears plugged the next guy in at just about every position (including MLB) and we're still good.

I blame Emery and not Trestman for the defense. He picked the players and the coordinator.


not hard to be better than a historically bad defense.

lovies teams beat up on the below .500 teams with bad and rookie qbs that threw the ball away.

Good QBs always easily moved under Lovies cover 2, got into the red zone. Takeaways are great, but to rely upon them when playing playoff teams isnt a good plan....but looked good in the total stats.


As usual your Lovie analysis is based on misrepresentation and gross generalizations, as if holding teams between 16-19 points during his best years was the result of "rookie qbs that threw the ball away." During his best years Lovie lost because he didn't get offense right. The defense was always good enough to win the SB during his best years, which I want to say was at least five out of the nine he was here for.

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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
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I can't believe that stat the B&B caller hit on about Trestmen routinely getting figured out in his 2nd year and flaming out by year 3.

Emery looking real dumb right about now, and subsequently, so is George McCaskey for picking him and sticking with non-football dude, Sweaty Teddy.


What was the stat? I heard them talking about it but didn't hear the actual stat.

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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
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I think its going to be a horrible game, played in bad conditions on a terrible field, that the Bears will somehow win. Its kind of going to be like last week where they will have chance after chance to put the Bucs to bed but will fail to do so. Bucs score late to cover the spread.

Lovie will almost surely outcoach Trestman though.
This pretty much happened. No cover and Lovie blew another challenge just for old times sake, but it was a terrible game in the rain, and the Bears had 2 chances in the 4th quarter to put the game on ice and couldn't do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Treatman vs Lovie
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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I think its going to be a horrible game, played in bad conditions on a terrible field, that the Bears will somehow win. Its kind of going to be like last week where they will have chance after chance to put the Bucs to bed but will fail to do so. Bucs score late to cover the spread.

Lovie will almost surely outcoach Trestman though.
This pretty much happened. No cover and Lovie blew another challenge just for old times sake, but it was a terrible game in the rain, and the Bears had 2 chances in the 4th quarter to put the game on ice and couldn't do it.


Good call. I was surprised McCown looked so slow to react on a lot of plays. I don't get how you pay 5 mil for a QB and give him a mickey mouse OC under Lovie who knows squat about offensive football.

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