How can you say that Rodgers is better at reading and reacting to defenses? Manning is pretty much accepted as the best ever at that and that Manning is basically his own OC.

Rodgers has better mobility but who cares? QB mobility is overrated anyways. Manning and Brady seem to do alright without great running ability.

Rodgers can make the throws that Manning makes, and right now Rodgers can make better throws but just like I said for the other one, Peyton seems to be able to overcome it.

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I have never seen Babe Ruth his a HR, so he cannot be the greatest slugger of all time. Nope.

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Kelly and Marino need to be in the GOAT discussion.

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Well the fact that his INT% and TD/INT ratio are significantly better than Manning leads me to believe that Manning is not reacting as well to the defenses. Rodgers isn't THAT more accurate than Manning.

QB mobility may be overrated, but when the QBs in question are very close and one is a B+ and the other is an F in that category, it makes a minor difference.

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Nobody ever said anything close to that. You're having a pretty terrible thread.

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Actually, you did;


I'm just using your own logic to show how incredibly foolish you are. Aaron Rodger is a great QB, most likely a HOF QB. As it stands right now however, he is not the best QB ever. That is really not even a debate, FF, regardless of how many football games you have watched.

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All the QBs we are discussing we have all seen play. So your silly Babe Ruth post isn't really applicable here. I didn't think I would need to point that out.

Again, it is a debate. The fact that you and BRick feel the need to debate my original statement proves you are wrong

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And as I posted earlier, you are a diehard Packers fan and so far the only thing you have posted to show that Rodgers is the best QB is that "you have seen him play" and you have seen him make the same throws that Peyton Manning has made.

Excuse me for that accepting that as NFL Bible.

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You don't have to accept anything I say as the absolute truth, especially subjects of opinion like this. I don't know why you feel the need to constantly exaggerate. All I was saying is that it's a valid opinion and that you sound ridiculous continually debating something you claim is not worthy of debate. I listed my reasons for thinking Rodgers is better in my response to BRick. You haven't attempted to dispute any points I made to him.

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Are you arguing with yourself again?

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Payton Manning continues to hold sway as the most over loved player in NFL history with many around here I see. FFan is right.

Manning's career is proof that numbers lie (in my book). Rodgers is making throws that Manning never could. Make Manning mildly uncomfortable in the pocket and he becomes remarkably average. He has no hope outside the pocket now, nor really ever. There isn't a contest as to which player is the better athlete. Again, in my opinion Rodgers is even a better team leader than Manning ever has been.

I've said it before & I'll repeat it here. Manning isn't even an all time top five QB in my book. Frankly if his opponent has had a top flight defense, he usually hasn't been a positive factor.

I won't even give him credit for his one SB title...it came against a team w/o a quarterback. He had two very prominent roles in the failures of his teams in his other two Super Bowl appearances. Some could even point the first losing fingers his way.

And Darkside, fwiw, I don't believe Jim Kelly to have any claim to GOAT. If I had to pick someone to run a gimmick offense in the late 80's - 90's, he'd have been behind Steve Young, Warren Moon & at times Randall Cunningham.

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Where is this idea coming from that there are throws that Peyton needs to make that he couldn't do? Would he have had 80 touchdowns in a season if he wasn't so limited?

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4 fuck in consecutive conference titles man!

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Its based on what FF has seen a TV, evidently.

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Rick and Frank should email the editor of BR and tell them this author should not be allowed to write this article. It's an opinion that apparently is not allowed to be had.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2284 ... ck-legends

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RR made the post that BRick is responding to. Trying to help you out here, Frank.

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You don't even have to read the article. Just read the url and then try again to say it goes against what I was saying.

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Are you kidding? I quoted the relevant part. Try making it past the headline next time you respond.

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For clarity's sake, it's inarguable that Manning can make 90-95% of the throws from the pocket that say Dan Marino could make as the best pure passer I've seen. While it's among the best ever I believe that with his versatility and creativity (that Payton lacks), Rodgers has entered Dan Marino territory in my book.

I've never thought that Payton was in the GOAT discussion running against top flight defenses, largely because I've never seen him to be top flight in traffic or under pressure. He is (arguably) the best prepared QB right up to the 3-4 seconds after which his clean pocket starts to erode. After that, goodnight Irene.

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I read the article. He specifically states multiple times that Rodgers may be ascending to legends status with how he is playing now.

Sorry I took the whole article in rather than your quotes.

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First off, back then the AFC blew chunks. AFC champions of that era may as well have been Miss Congeniality winners as well. Secondly, the gimmicky offense put up Manning-esque numbers against bums, but when the money was on the line (often against NFC powers in regular season games) the Bills, just like Elway's Broncos were not particularly impressive. Hell, just like in the playoffs, they often blew.

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Fair enough.

I'm just wondering why it matters. I've never seen Peyton play and thought he was limited.

As we all know, Jay Cutler can make throws that Peyton can't either. Don't care.

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It sounds like you didn't read the article. He started and concluded by saying nobody has ever played the position better.

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I feel that this thread has veered from my prescient idea to sign Legarette

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