that is my point . but i doubt that was the case

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If done correctly then yes. Most of the other variables are negated with a large enough sample size.

Now, it is possible that the ages or genders of users could effect things, but they would likely break down the groups even further to account for this.

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And even if it was, there are dozens of other factors involved. What if one group was unlucky enough to drive next to a higher percentage of shitty drivers who helped cause the accidents, Was the weather identical for both groups? Are both groups the same when it comes to demographic breakdowns? What if one group just was unlucky enough to have a higher percentage of natural dumbasses?

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My scenario was only for the U of Iowa super simulator.

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Any study worth anything accounts for these things by the methods it goes by compiling the data and then having it be peer reviewed.

This is getting a little bit "anti-vaxxer" by asking questions that are solved by the very methods in which studies are done.

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It's not getting anti-vaxxer at all, so just stop there. You are the one that has been misusing scientific terms the entire thread, and you also keep referring to some generic "study" that supposedly is proof you are correct, but you haven't yet posted anything specific or documented when it comes to comparing marijuana users and non-marijuana users ability to drive a car. Until you do, we have no reason to think you are on the right side of science here.

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Damn, and I was so close to convincing you that there is a level of marijuana usage in which it is dangerous to drive at.

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There probably is. One day I am hoping to get that high.

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Back in '95, my buddy and I got busted for simple possession in Chicago. The judge ordered us to attend four, three-hour sessions of "drug counseling", at some facility on Independence Blvd. Some of the people in these classes were a mess. I remember one girl in particular, who must have been going through some hard withdrawal. She could never sit still.

At the first meeting, the counselor, a recovering heroin addict himself, told everybody that if we show up high, we will be sent home, and not receive credit for showing up. My buddy and I were so high every time we walked in. He had no clue.

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yeah this will work great.....

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its a lot easier to get to a level of sleepiness that is extremely dangerous to drive, but we dont give dui's to those people....

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Take a few pulls of high quality hash oil, from an oil rig.

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I just did that earlier this year for the first time. For a second I thought I was too high to drive, but then I manned the fuck up and I was fine.

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how many people did you plow into ?

Nobody. But I did stop at one of those yellow signs telling you there is a stop sign up ahead.

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Rick, im going to have to ask you to go somewhere it's legal and get high like 10 times and come back to the discussion


Honestly, its not just Rick. Its really hard to understand how pot affects you if you've never done it. I think the fact that its linked with alcohol is problematic because its really nothing like being drunk

This is the biggest problem in discussions like these. People who don't even know what it does to you, have strong opinions.



Frank, I could smoke as much weed as you put in front of me, and I guarantee that I will drive better than somebody at 0.18.

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Heroin or marijuana?
I've done my fair share of observing of people who are high, and I would not want to be a passenger in their cars.

Not really sure what your point is. Either marijuana is safe to drive with at any level or my concerns about the safety of it are valid.

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I can't drive while stoned, way to paranoid. Used to be able to no problem, can't do it anymore.

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That doesn't necessarily mean you would be driving safely. It just means you would be driving better than somebody who was drunk.

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This is the point where I ask the experts if it is safe to get high at all levels and operate a vehicle.

So, is it?

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because the effects of all drugs are the same ?

But, you can't say for sure that I wouldn't be. If I didn't feel like a could drive safely, I wouldn't get behind the wheel. Those situations only arise when I am drinking.




You said that it would be as dangerous, if not more dangerous. I can assure you, at least in my case, that is incorrect.

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I don't know. I've never done either.

How can I know anything about heroin without doing it 10 times?

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so now we're back to playing dumb. ok

It's different for everybody. Some people can drive high, and some can't. My brother in law never smokes over here, because he can't drive while high, and he recognizes that.

It's the same for alcohol. Person A may be able to drive better than person B, while both are at the same BAC. Some people can handle their drugs, and some people are bubble-gummers. I can drive safely at .08 or .10. I don't chance it, because I don't want a costly DUI.

Those numbers are just an arbitrary point as to when a person is "legally" intoxicated. The studies show that the majority of alcohol related crashes, especially fatal ones, are caused by drivers well above .08 or .10. Lowering that number was about making money, not creating safer roads.

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Rick, nothing would make me happier than having a real discussion about this topic. That's never going to happen when you make leaps like this. Nobody is supporting getting behind the wheel after shooting up.

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So the answer is that driving while high can be dangerous.

Looks like I can cancel the trip to Colorado!

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