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I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.
These days everyone is nitpicking at everthing this guy does just to rip him apart to pieces. Everyone should be wearing that shirt because what happened there was a disgusting abuse of power and that cop should be thrown in jail.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.
These days everyone is nitpicking at everthing this guy does just to rip him apart to pieces. Everyone should be wearing that shirt because what happened there was a disgusting abuse of power and that cop should be thrown in jail.

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I see myself in that chokehold. I might have died too. It was overkill to say the least. Just imagine if just one cop politely asked him to "move along,Sir." An arrest for what he was doing???BS.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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Mr. Hernandez wrote:
I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.
These days everyone is nitpicking at everthing this guy does just to rip him apart to pieces. Everyone should be wearing that shirt because what happened there was a disgusting abuse of power and that cop should be thrown in jail.

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Agreed. Anyone who's even remotely familiar with current events should have a pretty good idea why Rose wore the shirt.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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Mr. Hernandez wrote:
I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.
These days everyone is nitpicking at everthing this guy does just to rip him apart to pieces. Everyone should be wearing that shirt because what happened there was a disgusting abuse of power and that cop should be thrown in jail.

Stupid nomination


Agreed. Anyone who's even remotely familiar with current events should have a pretty good idea why Rose wore the shirt.


I don't care that he wore the shirt. I am more upset that he went 2/11 for 9 points. If you are trying to make a political statement, you should back it up with a statement game. Show your "passion and fire" for the subject and score 30.


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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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Tall Midget wrote:
Mr. Hernandez wrote:
I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.
These days everyone is nitpicking at everthing this guy does just to rip him apart to pieces. Everyone should be wearing that shirt because what happened there was a disgusting abuse of power and that cop should be thrown in jail.

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Agreed. Anyone who's even remotely familiar with current events should have a pretty good idea why Rose wore the shirt.


I don't care that he wore the shirt. I am more upset that he went 2/11 for 9 points. If you are trying to make a political statement, you should back it up with a statement game. Show your "passion and fire" for the subject and score 30.

He should have choked out Steph Curry before the opening tip. Make a statement!

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PJ Carlesimo should wear that shirt.

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PJ Carlesimo should wear that shirt.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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PJ Carlesimo should wear that shirt.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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:lol: :lol: agree. That's great .

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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Mr. Hernandez wrote:
I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.


Lazy and odd post for a number of reasons so I won't spend the time parsing.

He is speaking through reporters and hosts not to them.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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Tall Midget wrote:
Mr. Hernandez wrote:
I dont see why he should have to comment about the shirt when him wearing pretty much sums up what he feels about it. Why does he have to explain to white sports reporters and radio hosts about how he feels about that situation? He doesnt need to explain or comment on anything besides his play on the court.
These days everyone is nitpicking at everthing this guy does just to rip him apart to pieces. Everyone should be wearing that shirt because what happened there was a disgusting abuse of power and that cop should be thrown in jail.

Stupid nomination


Agreed. Anyone who's even remotely familiar with current events should have a pretty good idea why Rose wore the shirt.


We know why the shirt was produced.

I'm not sure of the why Rose wore it.

I understand that the politics of artists and athletes is often dismissed without consideration of the content. I believe that is done because people don't feel the speaker is invested his chosen topic but instead following a cause celebre. I don't think that is true of Rose in this case but you can see how the no comment sets it up to give that appearance.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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He shouldnt have to comment about it though. Rose is a notoriously private person who rarely expresses his feelings about things outside the basketball court. The last thing he expressed about his personal life was about future meetings and graduations and look how that was received.

I feel by him wearing that shirt he made it known what his feelings are. No need to elaborate as far as im concerned. Please explain why he should comment on it

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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Mr. Hernandez wrote:
He shouldnt have to comment about it though. Rose is a notoriously private person who rarely expresses his feelings about things outside the basketball court. The last thing he expressed about his personal life was about future meetings and graduations and look how that was received.

I feel by him wearing that shirt he made it known what his feelings are. No need to elaborate as far as im concerned. Please explain why he should comment on it


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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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He is speaking through reporters and hosts not to them.


I'm growing increasingly tired of this tired & questionable claim by reporters who all too often consider themselves above it all, or at least superior to the athletes & coaches they cover. Media members (like Bernstein) already know what THEY want to write & usually give the occasional quote from an athlete only to lend their position some form of instant credibility.

With guys here like Bernstein, its even more flagrant. The shirt really doesn't leave much to question, nor would it be particularly insightful to follow up with interviews with Rose. He clearly spoke volumes with the shirt alone and any thinking person knows that. No one needs to hear Bernstein's or Sam Smith's thoughts to otherwise risk not "hearing" it from Rose.

But Bernstein wants to continue to be polarizing, "edgy" and the "voice of the thinking :wink: fan". He wants cheap laughs at Derrick "the guy too stupid to safely cut an apple"/"too dumb to get a qualifying score on the SAT"/"the guy controlled by everyone around him to the point he won't listen to REALLY. SMART. GUYS."/"too stupid to understand the point he himself is making". We all get it, but Bernstein's grown tiresome and his motives have to be called into question. Frankly it's reminiscent of his hostility with Lovie over his failure to provide sound bites "to speak to the fans".

As an aside, there is a parallel for all to see with Lovie & DRose over Dan's anger over their lack of public expression and/or arrogance, no? But I'll leave that one alone for now.

It's irritatingly Bernstein's go to bitch and moan favorite now to complain how athletes don't understand that "he/they" are the chosen conduit to the fans. Which generally is no longer true & hasn't been in decades. It is at least when he isn't operating as a company man regurgitating what his "team insider" has given him. Or conveniently forgetting his long held positions that magically have transformed with his bullshit new "enlightenment" that he feels compelled to push over the airwaves.

And consider this for what it's worth, Bernstein doesn't allow comments on any of his threads, was probably the worst show host poster around here and is too thin skinned (& intellectually shallow) to really allow criticism on his twitter site. He increasingly is only willing to engage in actual discussions when he has absolute control over the forum.

But he wants to joyously give Rose crap for understandably not wanting to talk to the media members (often like him) who seem to gleefully look to ridicule him at every turn. Since it "moves meters".

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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RR, I think you are an old school enough guy to remember how Rod Strickland was with the media. He mumbled and was very uncomfortable as well. Now Rod is very aware of things, really speaks his mind and in just so much more comfortable now that he is older and can see it all. Also, great connection to D Rose as he was a major factor in recruiting him at memphis. I just think having Rod on the Bulls bench would be a great move for the Bulls, Strickland and Rose! If Reggie and BJ are OK with it, which I think is half the issue right there.

But I do agree, Bernstein slaps the sticker on you and thats it, sorry, it doesnt come off and he emphasizes his opinion as fact, which is an issue.

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I agree Rod Strickland would be better than Hinrich off the bench.

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I agree Rod Strickland would be better than Hinrich off the bench.

Actually think Rod could still play! One of my all time unsung NBA guys. I think if he was more of a vocal leader, he stays in NYc and gets to throw alley oops to Pat Ewing, instead of Mark jacksons wild over the head crap.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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OK, Rose has now spoken to the media about the shirt. It will be interesting to see the reaction to his statements.

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Derrick Rose wore an “I Can’t Breathe” T-shirt as much for Michael Brown as Eric Garner.

The Bulls star said as much after practice Monday, speaking easily and eloquently about his sartorial statement from Saturday’s pregame.

“I think both stories are touching stories and I just wanted to show my support by wearing the shirt,” Rose said.

Garner uttered "I can't breathe" as police apprehended him with a chokehold in July for selling loose, untaxed cigarettes. He later died in part from neck compressions from that chokehold. An unarmed Brown was shot to death by a policeman in August during an altercation in Ferguson, Mo.

In both cases, grand jury decisions levied no discipline for police officers, setting off national protests centered on race. Garner and Brown were black. The policemen were white.

Rose said the T-shirt was his idea and his best friend, Randall Hampton, brought it to him before the Bulls’ loss to the Warriors.

“I’m just happy that people paid attention to it,” Rose said. “I think it touched a lot of people because I grew up in an impoverished area like that. And sometimes (police brutality) happens.

“Usually I stay out of politics and police brutality. I’m not saying all cops are bad or anything. I’m just saying that what happened them days was uncalled for and I think it hurt a lot of people. It hurt the nation.”

Rose said he had no personal experience with police brutality while growing up in Englewood, a crime-infested neighborhood on the South Side. But he saw plenty of such instances.

Derrick Rose wears a shirt reading "I Can't Breathe" while warming up for a game against the Golden State Warriors at the United Center.
“I saw it every day,” he said. “Not killing or anything but I saw the violence every day and just seeing what can happen. If anything, I’m just trying to change the thoughts of the kids’ minds across the nation. I know what they’re thinking right now. I was one of them kids.

“When you live in an area like that and you don’t got any hope and police are treating you any way -- I’m not saying all police are treating kids bad -- but it gives you another reason to be bad. My biggest concern is the kids and making sure my son grows up in a safe environment.”

Rose said having a son in October 2012 has changed his perspective.

“That’s one of the reasons I wore the shirt. I’m a parent now,” he said. “Probably two years ago, I probably wouldn’t have worn the shirt. But now that I’m a dad, it changed my outlook on life, period.

“I don’t want my son growing up being scared of police or even have the thought in his mind that something like that could happen. I have a cousin, that easily could’ve been him or one of our relatives. It’s sad that people lost their lives.”

Rose said he has family members who are police offers and repeatedly emphasized the good in the profession.

“But I felt like patience would have taken care of both of those situations, if they would have waited a little longer or had the patience to ask questions,” he said. “In a way (the grand jury decisions were) unbelievable. It was hard to process it at first. If anything like this would happen again, you just hope that they get the right verdict next time.”

Rose said he didn’t address reporters after Saturday’s game because he was so upset that the Bulls lost. He added he appreciated his teammates’ support and that the NBA league office and the Bulls have let his gesture stand.

Coach Tom Thibodeau on Monday called Rose “a great person” who sent “a great message ... about equality and justice for everybody.”

On Sunday, LeBron James called Rose’s decision “spectacular.”

“I’m happy that everything has been positive,” he said. “(LeBron’s) a huge figure. He grew up in a neighborhood like that. So it means a lot for a star like that to come out and say something, especially a megastar. So I’m happy about that.”

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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I couldn't care less about the shirt, but I think he should be DB'd for the pathetic "effort" he displayed Saturday night vs Golden State. He looked and played like he wanted no part of that basketball game.

I was disgusted and I'm one of the biggest Rose apologists out there.

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I couldn't care less about the shirt, but I think he should be DB'd for the pathetic "effort" he displayed Saturday night vs Golden State. He looked and played like he wanted no part of that basketball game.

I was disgusted and I'm one of the biggest Rose apologists out there.


WTF are you talking about? He couldn't breathe and still played.

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I couldn't care less about the shirt, but I think he should be DB'd for the pathetic "effort" he displayed Saturday night vs Golden State. He looked and played like he wanted no part of that basketball game.

I was disgusted and I'm one of the biggest Rose apologists out there.



Exactly. Be a relevant player that actually plays and performs and wins before embarrassing yourself like you're some kind of important person. Be a good player and wear your actual uniform for a couple of games.

My gosh im more worried he'd hurt his shoulder putting that t shirt on. Ouch!!! I hope he's ok.

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 Post subject: Re: Derrick Rose
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could not agree more. Not close to upset about what he says, how he says it, who he says it to....

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could not agree more. Not close to upset about what he says, how he says it, who he says it to....

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I disagree in general. I have no problem with celebrities using their public platform to make political messages. My issue with Rose is that because of his apathy towards the job that gave him that public platform, in my eyes he has lost the right to have that public platform.

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