2015 Off Season

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:04 am

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:05 am

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57250

good dolphin wrote:

RFDC wrote:

If you cannot sign him long term then this was a bad deal.

No, it really was not. Semien was a butcher in the field. He always came up big in late inning situations but he just hasn't looked like an MLB hitter to me. Anyway, if the lose Shark, they will end up getting a prospect of similar quality.

I think it was you who was doing backflips about Hammel at $10 million per. Here is a guy the Sox are getting for the same money who is a true upper middle of the rotation spot holder and all they had to give up was some magic beans.

I was not doing backflips about Hammel. I think I said I liked the deal.

But I would rather have Shark.

I just dont think there is any way you can say this is a good deal if you are not able to sign him long term. Are the Sox going to be able to pay Shark the money he wants? He clearly wants top of the rotation money

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:07 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

...and Billy Beane gave up his great prospect to get him and then flipped him for a few guys from a terrible farm system!

badrogue17 · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:11 am

I'm sure Jeff Cutler errrrrrr Jay Samardzija will finally have the success here that's eluded him everywhere else. My god have you seen his WHIP?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

RFDC wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

RFDC wrote:

If you cannot sign him long term then this was a bad deal.

No, it really was not. Semien was a butcher in the field. He always came up big in late inning situations but he just hasn't looked like an MLB hitter to me. Anyway, if the lose Shark, they will end up getting a prospect of similar quality.

I think it was you who was doing backflips about Hammel at $10 million per. Here is a guy the Sox are getting for the same money who is a true upper middle of the rotation spot holder and all they had to give up was some magic beans.

I was not doing backflips about Hammel. I think I said I liked the deal.

But I would rather have Shark.

I just dont think there is any way you can say this is a good deal if you are not able to sign him long term. Are the Sox going to be able to pay Shark the money he wants? He clearly wants top of the rotation money

but even if you lose him, you are being compensated with a high draft pick, probably someone better than Semien

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

The front end of the Sox rotation could beat any team. Adding Duke and Robertson has the bullpen looking good. Throw in a guy like Rodon and maybe another free agent and this bullpen could be better than the Royals.

I find the entire discussion of Rondon in the bullpen to be silly

Long term he's a starter but I wouldn't be surprised if he spent next year in the bullpen.

Right. That's the old Dodger way. Break the guy into the big leagues in the bullpen. The Sox have done it successfully with Buehrle and Sale.

It's a different world.

You have to assume you have Rondon for six years of MLB service maximum. I wouldn't waste a day of that time in a bullpen. Let him master his craft as a minor league starter. Boras will be grabbing them by the balls and squeezing tight by year 4 and won't let go until free agency has started...Cubs will have the same problem with Bryant

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:45 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

And flip him at the deadline for prospects?

Unique strategy. I hope it pans out.

I'm not sure it is smart to copy "Losing GM" Billy Beane.

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:47 am

good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Hahn is a genius.

How many off seasons can this guy win? He owned last year and this year is shaping up to more of the same.

Hahn got Garcia and Montas for Jake Peavy, last year. That is a robbery.

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:49 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 2h2 hours ago
#WhiteSox get Samardzija & Robertson: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /20122749/ … …. Now only have gaping holes in the everyday lineup at 3B, 2B, LF and C.

I don't know if Bernstine realizes it, but there is no catcher tree, where you just go pick one. How many really good catchers are there? Just give me a guy who can call a game, block a ball in the dirt, and hit 10 HRs.

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:52 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

IMU · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:54 am

Kirkwood got served.

But in fairness, they offered 5 years and $85. Everyone understands Samardzija wants way more, and I think most teams are smart enough not to give him way more. At least not until he proves he can be good for another year.

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57250

good dolphin wrote:

RFDC wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

RFDC wrote:

If you cannot sign him long term then this was a bad deal.

No, it really was not. Semien was a butcher in the field. He always came up big in late inning situations but he just hasn't looked like an MLB hitter to me. Anyway, if the lose Shark, they will end up getting a prospect of similar quality.

I think it was you who was doing backflips about Hammel at $10 million per. Here is a guy the Sox are getting for the same money who is a true upper middle of the rotation spot holder and all they had to give up was some magic beans.

I was not doing backflips about Hammel. I think I said I liked the deal.

But I would rather have Shark.

I just dont think there is any way you can say this is a good deal if you are not able to sign him long term. Are the Sox going to be able to pay Shark the money he wants? He clearly wants top of the rotation money

but even if you lose him, you are being compensated with a high draft pick, probably someone better than Semien

But you do not care about picks or prospects...

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:58 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

So what? I'm talking about his value right now not last year. Last year he was worth top-5 SS.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

RFDC wrote:

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I was not doing backflips about Hammel. I think I said I liked the deal.

But I would rather have Shark.

I just dont think there is any way you can say this is a good deal if you are not able to sign him long term. Are the Sox going to be able to pay Shark the money he wants? He clearly wants top of the rotation money

but even if you lose him, you are being compensated with a high draft pick, probably someone better than Semien[/quote]

But you do not care about picks or prospects...[/quote]

Which is why I am not the least bit troubled about losing Semien.

The only cost of this trade is $10 million, which they would have had to pay to some starter anyway.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

Thank God we have Chus back

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:08 am

Kirkwood wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

So what? I'm talking about his value right now not last year. Last year he was worth top-5 SS.

You shouldn't have even responded. Now I have to post this.
http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2003053#p2003053

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

So what? I'm talking about his value right now not last year. Last year he was worth top-5 SS.

You shouldn't have even responded. Now I have to post this.
http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2003053#p2003053

Kirkwood taking a beating all over these boards today...best to skunk back to MSFMB to talk Packer football with two other guys for the next 24 hours.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:15 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

It's pretty clear where Shark's standing in baseball is when teams desperate for pitching in the Red Sox and Rangers with ample prospects weren't interested at all.

Yet, Theo offered him a long term deal. :lol:

So what? I'm talking about his value right now not last year. Last year he was worth top-5 SS.

You shouldn't have even responded. Now I have to post this.
http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2003053#p2003053

Right, I'd sign Shark for a reason 3-4 year contract. But that's b/c I don't trust the guy!!!! Obviously given his track record and contract demands it's easy to see why he was attained for a possibly low price. Last year we saw Beane backed into a corner "going for it" by trading a top-5 SS prospect in all of baseball for a converted reliever having a career year. Now he was a position where he could take his time and sell high. Interesting to say the least.

Rod · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:24 am

good dolphin wrote:

It's a different world.

You have to assume you have Rondon for six years of MLB service maximum. I wouldn't waste a day of that time in a bullpen. Let him master his craft as a minor league starter. Boras will be grabbing them by the balls and squeezing tight by year 4 and won't let go until free agency has started...Cubs will have the same problem with Bryant

Yeah, but it's probably an even better idea in the current climate. To me, having him dust guys in AAA would be wasting him. He'll be a valuable guy at the back end of the pen, which is more important than ever. The only fear I might have is that you run into a Chapman situation where the guy is so damn good in relief you're reluctant to stretch him back out. You want a guy like that giving you 200 innings if he's capable.

Keyser Soze · **Joined:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm **Posts:** 16923

good dolphin wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

The front end of the Sox rotation could beat any team. Adding Duke and Robertson has the bullpen looking good. Throw in a guy like Rodon and maybe another free agent and this bullpen could be better than the Royals.

I find the entire discussion of Rondon in the bullpen to be silly

Long term he's a starter but I wouldn't be surprised if he spent next year in the bullpen.

It's a different world.

You have to assume you have Rondon for six years of MLB service maximum. I wouldn't waste a day of that time in a bullpen. Let him master his craft as a minor league starter. Boras will be grabbing them by the balls and squeezing tight by year 4 and won't let go until free agency has started...Cubs will have the same problem with Bryant

If they think Rodon is better off learning the ropes while working out of the major league pen then that's what they should do. They shouldn't let an agent influence how a player is developed.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

My unreasonable wish list for the rest of the off season is move Danks and give his money to Melky Cabreara.

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:07 pm

good dolphin wrote:

Thank God we have Chus back

I'm happy to be back. I would have really hated missing this glorious time.

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:08 pm

Dunn and Konerko gone is almost $17 million off the books, and two lead anchors off the roster.

America · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:18 pm

The deal is about to be announced. 4 players from the Sox (Bassitt and Semien known) and 2 from the A's (one of them is Shark).

THE INQUISITOR · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:19 pm

Remember what Frank told us that Rick Hann said:

“It’s not about winning headlines in November or December. They don’t give out any trophies until October."

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:23 pm

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

Remember what Frank told us that Rick Hann said:

“It’s not about winning headlines in November or December. They don’t give out any trophies until October."

How is that applicable right now? You think Hahn only did this to win headlines?

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:23 pm

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

Remember what Frank told us that Rick Hann said:

“It’s not about winning headlines in November or December. They don’t give out any trophies until October."

Would you support Frank returning to defend himself?

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82260

FavreFan wrote:

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

Remember what Frank told us that Rick Hann said:

“It’s not about winning headlines in November or December. They don’t give out any trophies until October."

How is that applicable right now? You think Hahn only did this to win headlines?

I did get a solicitation for 14 game season ticket packages this morning

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

FavreFan wrote:

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

Remember what Frank told us that Rick Hann said:

“It’s not about winning headlines in November or December. They don’t give out any trophies until October."

How is that applicable right now? You think Hahn only did this to win headlines?

It might not be relevant but Frank would be screaming about how off season titles dont matter if The Cubs made significant moves (im sure he has on this board actually)

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