Rick Hahn

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:53 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

sox get samardja for pocket lint. I don't understand it but can't complain. Cubs were the ones who made out like bandits.

The Cubs? Did they even get a current major leaguer from that trade? They got some dude who might suck or might be good. Maybe they got 2 dudes like that, don't remember. The White Sox obviously made out the best here.

The White Sox gave up prospects to get what the Cubs didn't even want to keep.

And the Cubs got better prospects to boot.

So, how do the Sox make out the best, here?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

FavreFan wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

sox get samardja for pocket lint. I don't understand it but can't complain. Cubs were the ones who made out like bandits.

The Cubs? Did they even get a current major leaguer from that trade? They got some dude who might suck or might be good. Maybe they got 2 dudes like that, don't remember. The White Sox obviously made out the best here.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:56 pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

sox get samardja for pocket lint. I don't understand it but can't complain. Cubs were the ones who made out like bandits.

The Cubs? Did they even get a current major leaguer from that trade? They got some dude who might suck or might be good. Maybe they got 2 dudes like that, don't remember. The White Sox obviously made out the best here.

The White Sox gave up prospects to get what the Cubs didn't even want to keep.

And the Cubs got better prospects to boot.

So, how do the Sox make out the best, here?

Because prospects don't mean anything. The Sox are the only one of the three teams that landed a good, proven MLB player.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:57 pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

sox get samardja for pocket lint. I don't understand it but can't complain. Cubs were the ones who made out like bandits.

The Cubs? Did they even get a current major leaguer from that trade? They got some dude who might suck or might be good. Maybe they got 2 dudes like that, don't remember. The White Sox obviously made out the best here.

The White Sox gave up prospects to get what the Cubs didn't even want to keep.

And the Cubs got better prospects to boot.

So, how do the Sox make out the best, here?

They'd rock the Cubs in a charity flag football game.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:58 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

sox get samardja for pocket lint. I don't understand it but can't complain. Cubs were the ones who made out like bandits.

The Cubs? Did they even get a current major leaguer from that trade? They got some dude who might suck or might be good. Maybe they got 2 dudes like that, don't remember. The White Sox obviously made out the best here.

The White Sox gave up prospects to get what the Cubs didn't even want to keep.

And the Cubs got better prospects to boot.

So, how do the Sox make out the best, here?

Because prospects don't mean anything. The Sox are the only one of the three teams that landed a good, proven MLB player.

Did the Sox lose the Peavy trade?

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:59 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

Did the Sox lose the Peavy trade?

Of course not. Did you see him pitch for the Giants? He sucks.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:02 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Did the Sox lose the Peavy trade?

Of course not. Did you see him pitch for the Giants? He sucks.

He was traded to the Red Sox and won a World Series. He was then traded to the Giants where he spun 78 innings to a 2.17 ERA in the regular season and won a World Series.

In exchange the Sox received a philandering clubhouse cancer outfield prospect with a bum shoulder.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:59 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Did the Sox lose the Peavy trade?

Of course not. Did you see him pitch for the Giants? He sucks.

He was traded to the Red Sox and won a World Series. He was then traded to the Giants where he spun 78 innings to a 2.17 ERA in the regular season and won a World Series.

In exchange the Sox received a philandering clubhouse cancer outfield prospect with a bum shoulder.

Avi is much more proven than any guy the Sox just sent away, and Shark is a much better pitcher than Jake Peavy currently. You're really grasping at straws here.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:06 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Did the Sox lose the Peavy trade?

Of course not. Did you see him pitch for the Giants? He sucks.

He was traded to the Red Sox and won a World Series. He was then traded to the Giants where he spun 78 innings to a 2.17 ERA in the regular season and won a World Series.

In exchange the Sox received a philandering clubhouse cancer outfield prospect with a bum shoulder.

Avi is much more proven than any guy the Sox just sent away, and Shark is a much better pitcher than Jake Peavy currently. You're really grasping at straws here.

Avi: 141 games played and 497 plate appearances
Semien: 85 games played and 326 plate appearances

Neither has accrued a season of major league games.

Shark vs. Peavy. What about 2 years ago? Was 2 years ago Peavy better than this year Shark? All I know is you stated Shark is a loser. Peavy has 2 rings in 2 years.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:13 pm

When did I state Shark was a loser?(I'll admit I probably did but go find that shit).

None of the rest of your post rebuts what I said about Avi being more proven than Semien.

spanky · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:21 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Because prospects don't mean anything.

You should write a new book about this. Or make a new movie.
I'll play the Brad Pitt role.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:27 pm

Fine, but I don't know much about writing. You write it first and then I'll post it somewhere online without crediting you. Thats how this works, right?

bigfan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:33 pm

Jerry and Rick have done a fine job of looking at what they have and the realistic view of Sale and Abreu. These guys are ready now, needed to compliment them now and if it doesnt work, OK, blow it up, but these guys are ready now and one might even be able to say they wont be this good in 2-3 years due to grind, major injury, physical fitess, bad year, etc. Shark is a great acquistion for them and I think they got him cheap, even if it is for a year.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:34 pm

It's great to have rational Cub fans like bigfan add clarify from a Cub perspective.

Juiced · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:06 am **Posts:** 7073

rogers park bryan wrote:

Two off-season titles in a row for Hahn

No shit, relax Sox Subdivision! You are not going to the win the division with a shark, a duke, a roach and a yankee from dun yonder.

Seems like just yesterday that the SS where posting about how Shark is not a winner. Does Hahn have some secret south side powder that turns Shark into a winner? Does the greatness that is the WhiteSox, automatically make him a 20 game winner? He didn't win in Oakland and I don't see him getting 15 Wins with this lineup. You act like you just signed J.Lester and M.Scherzer.

R E L A X - Remember I warned you. Don't come crying to me when Shark goes 4IP with 7ER and Robertson blows another save. You have been warned.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:35 pm

FavreFan wrote:

It's great to have rational Cub fans like bigfan add clarify from a Cub perspective.

The past two years of going for it have gone really well. Like Trestman, everyone deserves a 3rd try.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:37 pm

Juiced wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Two off-season titles in a row for Hahn

No shit, relax Sox Subdivision! You are not going to the win the division with a shark, a duke, a roach and a yankee from dun yonder.

Seems like just yesterday that the SS where posting about how Shark is not a winner. Does Hahn have some secret south side powder that turns Shark into a winner? Does the greatness that is the WhiteSox, automatically make him a 20 game winner? He didn't win in Oakland and I don't see him getting 15 Wins with this lineup. You act like you just signed J.Lester and M.Scherzer.

R E L A X - Remember I warned you. Don't come crying to me when Shark goes 4IP with 7ER and Robertson blows another save. You have been warned.

Don't project JORR's thoughts onto all of us.

I don't think you can accurately assess an athlete when he comes up in such a dismal organization committed to losing as many games as it can. Now that Shark is with a professional baseball organization, there is a great chance he flourishes.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:41 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

It's great to have rational Cub fans like bigfan add clarify from a Cub perspective.

The past two years of going for it have gone really well. Like Trestman, everyone deserves a 3rd try.

Last year they didn't really have the resources to really go for it. Now that they do, it looks like Hahn is firing on all cylinders while Theo sits on the sidelines for yet another free agency period. I truly hope the Cubs will attempt to win at some point during his tenure, but it looks like you guys get to use the "We're trying to lose!" excuse for yet another season.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:42 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

It's great to have rational Cub fans like bigfan add clarify from a Cub perspective.

The past two years of going for it have gone really well. Like Trestman, everyone deserves a 3rd try.

Last year they didn't really have the resources to really go for it. Now that they do, it looks like Hahn is firing on all cylinders while Theo sits on the sidelines for yet another free agency period. I truly hope the Cubs will attempt to win at some point during his tenure, but it looks like you guys get to use the "We're trying to lose!" excuse for yet another season.

Cubs have the a better or equal record the past two years. What resources didn't they have? They're owned by a billionaire.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:44 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

It's great to have rational Cub fans like bigfan add clarify from a Cub perspective.

The past two years of going for it have gone really well. Like Trestman, everyone deserves a 3rd try.

Last year they didn't really have the resources to really go for it. Now that they do, it looks like Hahn is firing on all cylinders while Theo sits on the sidelines for yet another free agency period. I truly hope the Cubs will attempt to win at some point during his tenure, but it looks like you guys get to use the "We're trying to lose!" excuse for yet another season.

Cubs have the a better or equal record the past two years. What resources didn't they have? They're owned by a billionaire.

They didn't have the payroll flexibility last year they had this year. I thought you realized that, my bad.

And yeah, Hahn needs to improve the team dramatically this year, and it looks like he did. If they suck, we will want him fired, not extended for five more years. Some fanbases have unlimited patience it seems, though.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:49 pm

FavreFan wrote:

They didn't have the payroll flexibility last year they had this year. I thought you realized that, my bad.

And yeah, Hahn needs to improve the team dramatically this year, and it looks like he did. If they suck, we will want him fired, not extended for five more years. Some fanbases have unlimited patience it seems, though.

No flexibility? They're were 20th in opening day payroll in 3rd largest market with $91M. Seems like they had a ton of flexibility.

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:50 pm

Juiced wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Two off-season titles in a row for Hahn

No shit, relax Sox Subdivision! You are not going to the win the division with a shark, a duke, a roach and a yankee from dun yonder.

Seems like just yesterday that the SS where posting about how Shark is not a winner. Does Hahn have some secret south side powder that turns Shark into a winner? Does the greatness that is the WhiteSox, automatically make him a 20 game winner? He didn't win in Oakland and I don't see him getting 15 Wins with this lineup. You act like you just signed J.Lester and M.Scherzer.

R E L A X - Remember I warned you. Don't come crying to me when Shark goes 4IP with 7ER and Robertson blows another save. You have been warned.

Thank you for the reality check.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:50 pm

FavreFan wrote:

When did I state Shark was a loser?(I'll admit I probably did but go find that shit).

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=86482&p=2138241#p2138241

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:51 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

They didn't have the payroll flexibility last year they had this year. I thought you realized that, my bad.

And yeah, Hahn needs to improve the team dramatically this year, and it looks like he did. If they suck, we will want him fired, not extended for five more years. Some fanbases have unlimited patience it seems, though.

No flexibility? They're were 20th in opening day payroll in 3rd largest market with $91M. Seems like they had a ton of flexibility.

They didn't. Now I know how Bryan feels arguing with the baseball ignorant.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:54 pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

When did I state Shark was a loser?(I'll admit I probably did but go find that shit).

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=86482&p=2138241#p2138241

Good job. But I didn't call him a loser, so that doesn't count.

So I guess at no point in time did I call Shark a loser.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:56 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

When did I state Shark was a loser?(I'll admit I probably did but go find that shit).

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=86482&p=2138241#p2138241

Good job. But I didn't call him a loser, so that doesn't count.

So I guess at no point in time did I call Shark a loser.

So, your position is that he's a tie-er. Strong.

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:58 pm

sox are cornering the market in "losing pitchers."

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:58 pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

When did I state Shark was a loser?(I'll admit I probably did but go find that shit).

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=86482&p=2138241#p2138241

Good job. But I didn't call him a loser, so that doesn't count.

So I guess at no point in time did I call Shark a loser.

So, your position is that he's a tie-er. Strong.

My position was incomplete. After thinking about it more,

FavreFan wrote:

I don't think you can accurately assess an athlete when he comes up in such a dismal organization committed to losing as many games as it can.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:01 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

They didn't have the payroll flexibility last year they had this year. I thought you realized that, my bad.

And yeah, Hahn needs to improve the team dramatically this year, and it looks like he did. If they suck, we will want him fired, not extended for five more years. Some fanbases have unlimited patience it seems, though.

No flexibility? They're were 20th in opening day payroll in 3rd largest market with $91M. Seems like they had a ton of flexibility.

They didn't. Now I know how Bryan feels arguing with the baseball ignorant.

2013: 119,073,277
2012: 96,919,500
2011: 129,285,539
2010: 108,273,197
2009: 96,068,500

I'll take your word for it. I'm sure the money went to worthy baseball related expenses unrelated to the major league roster.

Apologist · **Posted:** Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:22 pm

They had Peavy, Dunn, Konerko money on the books Opening Day. That's a lot of cheddar for not much production in 2014

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