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Because of that I would take Favre at 39 over Rodgers and Favre in his prime over Rodgers.


ah, so you're just trolling.


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Bottom line I think Rodgers benefits from the new QB friendly era of football and all the offensive friendly rules. Throw in expansion teams and steroid testing and I don't see how anyone could objectively argue that it isn't easier for Rodgers to play QB than it was for Favre. Because of that I would take Favre at 39 over Rodgers and Favre in his prime over Rodgers.

We saw Favre at 39 and Rodgers play in his prime in the exact same season. Rodgers was better.


We did and Favre was better. He had about 37 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and would have led his team to the SB if AP didn't fumble 3 or 4 times and if Childress wasn't a complete idiot. Also the refs missed quite a few personal foul calls. He was better in every way.

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Because of that I would take Favre at 39 over Rodgers and Favre in his prime over Rodgers.


ah, so you're just trolling.


He had the greatest season of his career at 39.

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Plus, Rodgers played on some god awful offensive lines.

That is what sold me on him being great. I think the year they lost in the playoffs like 55-52 they had one of the worst, if not THEE worst line in the league


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Because of that I would take Favre at 39 over Rodgers and Favre in his prime over Rodgers.


ah, so you're just trolling.


He had the greatest season of his career at 39.

If you think that is true, then Rodgers is obviously the better QB. Because now you are ignoring the differences between eras.

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Because of that I would take Favre at 39 over Rodgers and Favre in his prime over Rodgers.


ah, so you're just trolling.


He had the greatest season of his career at 39.

If you think that is true, then Rodgers is obviously the better QB. Because now you are ignoring the differences between eras.


Statistically it was his best season and it was better than what Rodgers was able to produce. That says a lot about Favre's greatness that he was able to do that at his age and with all his injuries and that says how easy this era is for QBs. How many great teams have there been in the NFC over the past 7 or 8 years? How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?

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If you think that is true, then Rodgers is obviously the better QB. Because now you are ignoring the differences between eras.


Statistically it was his best season and it was better than what Rodgers was able to produce. That says a lot about Favre's greatness that he was able to do that at his age and with all his injuries and that says how easy this era is for QBs. How many great teams have there been in the NFC over the past 7 or 8 years? How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?

Favre did not have to go up against one single NFC "dynasty". The closest would be the Cowboys, who were already no longer a dynasty by that time. The Rams and Eagles were the 2nd best teams he faced during that run, and neither come even close to the word dynasty. You're doing a ridiculously large amount of revisionist history in this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Favre vs Rodgers
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How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Are you f***ing serious?!!
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 Post subject: Re: Favre vs Rodgers
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If you think that is true, then Rodgers is obviously the better QB. Because now you are ignoring the differences between eras.


Statistically it was his best season and it was better than what Rodgers was able to produce. That says a lot about Favre's greatness that he was able to do that at his age and with all his injuries and that says how easy this era is for QBs. How many great teams have there been in the NFC over the past 7 or 8 years? How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?

Favre did not have to go up against one single NFC "dynasty". The closest would be the Cowboys, who were already no longer a dynasty by that time. The Rams and Eagles were the 2nd best teams he faced during that run, and neither come even close to the word dynasty. You're doing a ridiculously large amount of revisionist history in this thread.


In the early 90's the 49ers and Cowboys were dynasties. Are you fucking kidding me? The Rams had a mini run as well in the late 90's. Rodgers hasn't seen competition like that. Hell he hasn't had to compete against an all time great QB besides Favre at the end of his career in the NFC and the only great QBs is Brees and an old Warner. It really isn't a comparison when it comes to competition and talent.

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How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?


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Are you f***ing serious?!!
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what else you got?


Just illustrating how much easier it's been for Rodgers. You got anything else?

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If you think that is true, then Rodgers is obviously the better QB. Because now you are ignoring the differences between eras.


Statistically it was his best season and it was better than what Rodgers was able to produce. That says a lot about Favre's greatness that he was able to do that at his age and with all his injuries and that says how easy this era is for QBs. How many great teams have there been in the NFC over the past 7 or 8 years? How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?

Favre did not have to go up against one single NFC "dynasty". The closest would be the Cowboys, who were already no longer a dynasty by that time. The Rams and Eagles were the 2nd best teams he faced during that run, and neither come even close to the word dynasty. You're doing a ridiculously large amount of revisionist history in this thread.


In the early 90's the 49ers and Cowboys were dynasties. Are you fucking kidding me? The Rams had a mini run as well in the late 90's. Rodgers hasn't seen competition like that. Hell he hasn't had to compete against an all time great QB besides Favre at the end of his career in the NFC and the only great QBs is Brees and an old Warner. It really isn't a comparison when it comes to competition and talent.

I already said the Cowboys were in decline and so were the 49ers. Neither was a great team after 1995. The Rams were really good for a few years but nowhere near a dynasty.

Can you actually name a dynasty that Favre competed against? Because you said there were several and have yet to name one that is actually true.

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Favre started playing full time in 1992. So now you're trolling? The 49ers were one of the dynasties and they were still good/great until the late 90s. The Cowboys were clearly one. The Rams had a run in the late 90s. All of those teams and 1 or 2 more we're superior to any team Rodgers has faced. He hasn't had to play against the same type of talent and the rules are easier. Every QB throws for 4000 yards now. That used to be rare.

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How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Are you f***ing serious?!!
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oh, poor brett!!
what else you got?


Just illustrating how much easier it's been for Rodgers. You got anything else?


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Favre was clutch. You thought the Packers had a chance just because he was on the field. He didn't have 1 great offensive player to give the ball too either.
I don't know why I let you suck me into your troll posts but...
In addition to Sterling Sharpe (as GD noted), Favre also had Robert Brooks, Donald Driver, Mark Chmura, Javon Walker and Antonio Freeman.

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Nas wrote:
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How many dynasties and great QBs did Favre have to go up against with his average at best offensive supporting cast?


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Are you f***ing serious?!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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what else you got?


Just illustrating how much easier it's been for Rodgers. You got anything else?


:lol: :lol:
nope, you're doing so well on your own. keep goin!


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Favre was clutch. You thought the Packers had a chance just because he was on the field. He didn't have 1 great offensive player to give the ball too either.
I don't know why I let you suck me into your troll posts but...
In addition to Sterling Sharpe (as GD noted), Favre also had Robert Brooks, Donald Driver, Mark Chmura, Javon Walker and Antonio Freeman.


Sharpe was great BUT he was only around for about 10 games of Favre's career. None of the other guys were close to being great. They owe any success they had to Favre and one raped a kid and couldn't stick around.

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Sharpe was great BUT he was only around for about 10 games of Favre's career.


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Favre was clutch. You thought the Packers had a chance just because he was on the field. He didn't have 1 great offensive player to give the ball too either.
I don't know why I let you suck me into your troll posts but...
In addition to Sterling Sharpe (as GD noted), Favre also had Robert Brooks, Donald Driver, Mark Chmura, Javon Walker and Antonio Freeman.


Sharpe was great BUT he was only around for about 10 games of Favre's career. None of the other guys were close to being great. They owe any success they had to Favre and one raped a kid and couldn't stick around.

Donald Driver was great.

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He had a very good career (because of Favre) but I wouldn't call him great. He was a competitor.

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He had a very good career (because of Favre) but I wouldn't call him great. He was a competitor.

Understatement of the century. He was great.

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Rodgers would easily be as tough as Favre if he could pop Vicodin all day, puke them up, and pick them out of his puke and take them again.

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Rodgers is better. I'm really not even sure it's all that close.

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He had a very good career (because of Favre) but I wouldn't call him great. He was a competitor.

Understatement of the century. He was great.


Right. He was cut from the same cloth as Favre but he lacked the great talent.

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Favre did not have to go up against one single NFC "dynasty". The closest would be the Cowboys, who were already no longer a dynasty by that time. The Rams and Eagles were the 2nd best teams he faced during that run, and neither come even close to the word dynasty. You're doing a ridiculously large amount of revisionist history in this thread.


Rodgers hasn't had to go up against any dynasties either. Favre played a much tougher field, though, in a more consistent NFL that yielded harder hitting defenses and was still a run-driven league.


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Favre did not have to go up against one single NFC "dynasty". The closest would be the Cowboys, who were already no longer a dynasty by that time. The Rams and Eagles were the 2nd best teams he faced during that run, and neither come even close to the word dynasty. You're doing a ridiculously large amount of revisionist history in this thread.


Rodgers hasn't had to go up against any dynasties either. Favre played a much tougher field, though, in a more consistent NFL that yielded harder hitting defenses and was still a run-driven league.


I forgot about how pass happy the league has become. Favre just seems like a guy that is easy for fans to hate or dismiss and Rodgers has that look.

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Favre did not have to go up against one single NFC "dynasty". The closest would be the Cowboys, who were already no longer a dynasty by that time. The Rams and Eagles were the 2nd best teams he faced during that run, and neither come even close to the word dynasty. You're doing a ridiculously large amount of revisionist history in this thread.


Rodgers hasn't had to go up against any dynasties either. Favre played a much tougher field, though, in a more consistent NFL that yielded harder hitting defenses and was still a run-driven league.

I never claimed he did. Just that it was false to say that Favre did.

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You're right. I clearly just hate Brett Favre. That should be obvious just by looking at my user name.

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Favre didn't give a fuck. That's what separates him from Rodgers. He just threw the fucker. Made a career out of being really high and really low. Waaay too many INT's for him to be called better than Rodgers.

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Well, yeah he was very young in the league when the Niners and Cowboys were still owning the NFC, but he still competed against them...rather well, too. 1994 and 1995 were pretty impressive seasons for Favre, who was only in his mid twenties. 1995 especially because the Pack beat the Niners in the playoffs (who had won the Super Bowl the year before), and played decent against the Cowboys who went on to win the Super Bowl. Then of course...1996 season they won it. Dallas and San Fran were still power houses.

Plus, a dynasty is a dynasty because no one can beat you. A lot of great players didn't win anything during the reign of the Cowboys and the Niners.


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Favre didn't give a fuck. That's what separates him from Rodgers. He just threw the fucker. Made a career out of being really high and really low. Waaay too many INT's for him to be called better than Rodgers.


You can't compare their numbers though. Matthew Stafford will have better numbers than Elway and no one would say he was a better QB. It's hard to compare them based on numbers. Favre put up great passing stats in an era where that was rare. Now every QB does it. Remember when 3000 yards passing meant something?

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Favre didn't give a fuck. That's what separates him from Rodgers. He just threw the fucker. Made a career out of being really high and really low. Waaay too many INT's for him to be called better than Rodgers.


You can't compare their numbers though. Matthew Stafford will have better numbers than Elway and no one would say he was a better QB. It's hard to compare them based on numbers. Favre put up great passing stats in an era where that was rare. Now every QB does it. Remember when 3000 yards passing meant something?

Sure, yeah.
You're not gonna like this but I don't think Elway was all that great either.
Course, I'm the guy who thought Marino and Kelly were the superstars of the era so what do I know.

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