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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Boston's final offer was 6yr/$135M. The Cubs offer was 6yr/$155M and an option for a 7th year. Huh


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Scherzer is not getting $200M. Boras is about to be let down. Scherzer is not near Kershaw. Kershaw is a once in a generation talent.

Lester signed for 6 years, $155M not including options, which are never included when talking about guarantees. I had guessed 6/~$150M. This is overpaying. Boston offered 6/$135M. But the Cubs wanted him and were willing to pay the price.

Now Cubs fans hope it won't be regretted.

He'll get more than Lester per year for and probably overall


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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What is the Scherzer market?? NYY BOS LAD? DET says they're out?

I can't see 200M+ ether.

This guy has a lot of Shark in him for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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rogers park bryan wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
Scherzer is not getting $200M. Boras is about to be let down. Scherzer is not near Kershaw. Kershaw is a once in a generation talent.

Lester signed for 6 years, $155M not including options, which are never included when talking about guarantees. I had guessed 6/~$150M. This is overpaying. Boston offered 6/$135M. But the Cubs wanted him and were willing to pay the price.

Now Cubs fans hope it won't be regretted.

He'll get more than Lester per year for and probably overall

I can't believe some team will give him 8 years guaranteed at $26-$27 (or more) per. He was just a guy before the last two seasons. He hasn't proven enough. Scherzer has about a flat 3.00 ERA since April 2013.

Arrieta has a 3.10 ERA since July 2013.

Is Arrieta just as proven as Scherzer? Should the Cubs lock up Arrieta now for $23 a season before he gets close to an open market?

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Im not signing him, bro. Im just saying what he'll get.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Arrieta appears to be the crown jewel of the sign/flip acquisitions from this front office.

Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.

That's why Lester was so huge.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Im not signing him, bro. Im just saying what he'll get.


I just don't see who is going to give it to him. But Boras has been great in the past at getting a single team to negotiate against itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.


Nobody wants the bums you don't want. I know it's easy for you to see that with the White Sox (Viciedo, Danks). You should be able to see it with the Cubs too.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.


Nobody wants the bums you don't want. I know it's easy for you to see that with the White Sox (Viciedo, Danks). You should be able to see it with the Cubs too.
Get baseball dummy Billy Beane on the phone!

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.


Nobody wants the bums you don't want. I know it's easy for you to see that with the White Sox (Viciedo, Danks). You should be able to see it with the Cubs too.



Viciedo has value but not Danks unless they eat 2/3 of that contract.

Castillo & Valbuena have good value and Wood decent value as a 5th starter. Couple these guys with the Vogelbach's of the world, and they can do some business.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.


Nobody wants the bums you don't want. I know it's easy for you to see that with the White Sox (Viciedo, Danks). You should be able to see it with the Cubs too.
Get baseball dummy Billy Beane on the phone!

JORR thinks Beane is the best GM in baseball


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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JORR thinks Beane is the best GM in baseball


He certainly has been. But I think his desperation to win the big prize last season caused him to make a couple huge mistakes and now he seems to have gone off the deep end.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Beane is a masochist.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR thinks Beane is the best GM in baseball


He certainly has been. But I think his desperation to win the big prize last season caused him to make a couple huge mistakes and now he seems to have gone off the deep end.

I dont know why everyone is saying that. Seems to me he's doing what he always does.

Donaldson is going to need a payday. Moss might have peaked in the first half this year and they had 0 chance of re signing Samardzija


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR thinks Beane is the best GM in baseball


He certainly has been. But I think his desperation to win the big prize last season caused him to make a couple huge mistakes and now he seems to have gone off the deep end.

I dont know why everyone is saying that. Seems to me he's doing what he always does.

Donaldson is going to need a payday. Moss might have peaked in the first half this year and they had 0 chance of re signing Samardzija


The Donaldson deal was okay. If you can keep Lawrie on the field he might be as good plus he got the pitchers.

I don't like the Samardzija deals from the Oakland standpoint. It reminds me of what Kenny did in overpaying for Swisher and then giving him away for nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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The only way the Samardzija deal with the Cubs was going to turn out as a Beane positive was if Oakland had won the World Series.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The only way the Samardzija deal with the Cubs was going to turn out as a Beane positive was if Oakland had won the World Series.

Or if he traded for prospects that ended up outperforming Russell and McKinney could have been a wash


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The only way the Samardzija deal with the Cubs was going to turn out as a Beane positive was if Oakland had won the World Series.

Or if he traded for prospects that ended up outperforming Russell and McKinney could have been a wash


Maybe that will happen. I just don't see it though.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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The only way the Samardzija deal with the Cubs was going to turn out as a Beane positive was if Oakland had won the World Series.

Or if he traded for prospects that ended up outperforming Russell and McKinney could have been a wash


Maybe that will happen. I just don't see it though.

It will be hard to outplay Barry Larkin with more power and a young Willie Mays


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 8h8 hours ago
The #Cubs get their man in Jon Lester, and Joe Maddon says: "We won the lottery.'' They now expect to make playoffs http://usat.ly/1D7Pc8Y


Expect? Alright


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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And I expect them to fail miserably. Now, if only our players would stop dying off.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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And I expect them to fail miserably. Now, if only our players would stop dying off.

I expect them to keep dying off


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 8h8 hours ago
The #Cubs get their man in Jon Lester, and Joe Maddon says: "We won the lottery.'' They now expect to make playoffs http://usat.ly/1D7Pc8Y


Expect? Alright

I'm not sure if you're criticizing the view, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't want to say the rebuild is fully complete...but we're almost at the precipice of the large mountain that the Cubs had to climb.

Results were always expected. And we're getting to the point where they are to be expected in the near future.

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs this year, I'll understand. But they better be competing for one.

Maybe they'll surprise and pick up a strong bat.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 8h8 hours ago
The #Cubs get their man in Jon Lester, and Joe Maddon says: "We won the lottery.'' They now expect to make playoffs http://usat.ly/1D7Pc8Y


Expect? Alright

I'm not sure if you're criticizing the view, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't want to say the rebuild is fully complete...but we're almost at the precipice of the large mountain that the Cubs had to climb.

Results were always expected. And we're getting to the point where they are to be expected in the near future.

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs this year, I'll understand. But they better be competing for one.

Maybe they'll surprise and pick up a strong bat.


They aren't done.

Shit gets real now.


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Lester
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immessedup17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 8h8 hours ago
The #Cubs get their man in Jon Lester, and Joe Maddon says: "We won the lottery.'' They now expect to make playoffs http://usat.ly/1D7Pc8Y


Expect? Alright

I'm not sure if you're criticizing the view, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't want to say the rebuild is fully complete...but we're almost at the precipice of the large mountain that the Cubs had to climb.

Results were always expected. And we're getting to the point where they are to be expected in the near future.

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs this year, I'll understand. But they better be competing for one.

Maybe they'll surprise and pick up a strong bat.

Not criticizing at all. Im happy. I like the change in expectation.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.


Nobody wants the bums you don't want. I know it's easy for you to see that with the White Sox (Viciedo, Danks). You should be able to see it with the Cubs too.
Get baseball dummy Billy Beane on the phone!

I'm surprised Beane didn't opt for law enforcement.

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I don't think Lester will ever win more than 15 games for the Cubs.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Now with Travis Wood/Castillo/Valbuena as trade chips, they can really get this roster built now.


Nobody wants the bums you don't want. I know it's easy for you to see that with the White Sox (Viciedo, Danks). You should be able to see it with the Cubs too.
Get baseball dummy Billy Beane on the phone!


Maybe Hendry's had enough time to poison the ear of Cashman by now.

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Extremely difficult decision for me and my family but we love the outcome and couldn't be more excited to join the Cubs organization! #NVRQT


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