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Even when the story this week with Kromer was anti-Cutler, the Score broadcasters found a way to spin it in Cutler's favor by saying that he took the high road and that he was the victim. That's why I've come to hate them all as propagandists and misinformation dishers. The real victim in the story are the Chicago Bears fans. Kromer's comments revealed that we've been lied to by the Bears about Cutler all along, saying that he is an elite and smart quarterback. It turns out that he is neither, instead Cutler is the idiot pupil who after nine years still hasn't understood when and how to check out of a bad run play. And during all this time the Bears and Score broadcasters (even Doug until this year) covered for him and made excuses for Cutler.

Every Bears fan should throw away everything he owns about the team until the McCaskey's sell. The lying McCaskeys played you all for the fool.


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Even when the story this week with Kromer was anti-Cutler, the Score broadcasters found a way to spin it in Cutler's favor by saying that he took the high road and that he was the victim. That's why I've come to hate them all as propagandists and misinformation dishers. The real victim in the story are the Chicago Bears fans. Kromer's comments revealed that we've been lied to by the Bears about Cutler all along, saying that he is an elite and smart quarterback. It turns out that he is neither, instead Cutler is the idiot pupil who after nine years still hasn't understood when and how to check out of a bad run play. And during all this time the Bears and Score broadcasters (even Doug until this year) covered for him and made excuses for Cutler.

Every Bears fan should throw away everything he owns about the team until the McCaskey's sell. The lying McCaskeys played you all for the fool.


Like it or not, Cutler is the runaway leader in this story.

Kromer didn't have the balls to face Cutler with his feelings until Biggs forced him to.

I'm not sure what the McCaskeys have to do with that, but selling should be a consideration if you are unwilling to change the organization from Ted on down.

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Mccaskeys cant lie when they dont speak.

This is a team that accepts losing and has become comfortable with it, from the very top down.

The only way things change is from the top down.

The theory of not firing people during the season because it wont change anything is a great example of the Mccaskeys more concerned with how they are viewed than the team progressing. Fire Mel Tucker, tell the new guy...whoemever you promote, to play those who havent played to get an evaluation of players.

Now, the issue with that is the people evaluating the players. Emery had an entire offseason and draft to upgrade from chris conte , but everything he brought in still wasnt better. That alone should be fireable.

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Kromer doesn't have the best record when it comes to being the leader of an offense and Trestman's record in Year 2 is awful. It sounds like Cutler is once again the victim. Having shitty coaches and a shitty game plan pisses him off. That being said pouting and possibly getting a guy like Forte hurt by not changing the shitty play isn't smart.

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Kromer doesn't have the best record when it comes to being the leader of an offense and Trestman's record in Year 2 is awful. It sounds like Cutler is once again the victim. Having shitty coaches and a shitty game plan pisses him off. That being said pouting and possibly getting a guy like Forte hurt by not changing the shitty play isn't smart.


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Mccaskeys cant lie when they dont speak.

This is a team that accepts losing and has become comfortable with it, from the very top down.

The only way things change is from the top down.

The theory of not firing people during the season because it wont change anything is a great example of the Mccaskeys more concerned with how they are viewed than the team progressing. Fire Mel Tucker, tell the new guy...whoemever you promote, to play those who havent played to get an evaluation of players.

Now, the issue with that is the people evaluating the players. Emery had an entire offseason and draft to upgrade from chris conte , but everything he brought in still wasnt better. That alone should be fireable.


The McCaskey's have lied to us through whom they've hired as mouthpieces of the organization (e.g. Emery and Trestman). All of the offensive coordinator hires and Trestman's hiring failed because you have an idiot pupil in Cutler, who is not smart enough to run an offense in the NFL. Not only does he not check out of bad run plays, he cannot read defenses and only can throw to whichever receiver he is watching on a particular play.

I don't know about Chicago Bears fans being the greatest, but there is something to be said for them being the dumbest in still buying tickers to see this garbage product the organization is putting out. I have hardly watched them the last few weeks, and barring major changes, I don't intend to next year. It's a waste of time.


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Look at this sickening article today. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/14/ ... c-trestman

There is hardly been a more contemptible and cancerous organization in the history of Chicago sports. Every one of these MFs from Cutler to the McCaskey's need to be thrown on the street. I now shit on Hallas and everything the Bears represent.

Jay Cutler may have publicly said that his relationship with Aaron Kromer is fine, but privately it appears to be a different story.

The drama in the Chicago Bears' locker room doesn't seem to be nearing an end. Despite saying otherwise, quarterback Jay Cutler has been "fuming" over comments offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer made to a reporter, writes Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports. Cutler's play was the target of criticism from Kromer, who has since made a tearful apology to the team.

Cutler spoke to the media Friday and claimed he wasn't angry that his offensive coordinator called out his decision-making on the field. However, according to La Canfora's report, Cutler is upset enough to the point that it's "hard to imagine him working with Kromer beyond the duration of this last season." The report also suggests that Kromer's statements are enough for the Bears to terminate the assistant coach's contract, which supports a claim from Ian Rapoport of NFL Network that the Bears mulled replacing him last week as a result of the controversy.

Despite leading the NFL in turnovers this season, Cutler isn't likely going anywhere in 2015. The 31-year-old quarterback signed a seven-year, $126.7 million deal with Chicago in the offseason and due to the money guaranteed to Cutler, Kromer is the more expendable of the two.

But Cutler and Kromer are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the drama in Chicago. Per La Canfora, there is "mistrust brewing between players and the staff." Thanks to the hands-off approach from head coach Marc Trestman, there's also a decided lack of discipline in the Chicago locker room, which has seen its share of altercations this season. After a loss in Week 7 to the Miami Dolphins, there were reports fighting between Bears teammates, and earlier wide receiver Brandon Marshall and assistant defensive backs coach Chris Harris were supposedly involved in a charged argument during practice.

So while the writing may be on the wall for Kromer when it comes to his job security, the coaching staff and front office are not on solid ground either. An unstable locker room, a weak defense and a fourth straight year of missing the playoffs are among the numerous problems the Bears have faced this year, and the blame can't all be placed on the quarterback or the offensive coordinator.


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Where is the Chicago Press on all this????????

Sitting on their collective asses waiting for a "national" guy to feed them this shit!!!

I know Biggs broke the crying story but we need more. Somebody should find George McCaskey to get any kind of comment from him.

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Who the hell is editing this crap from CBS? Grammar police!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24886866/jay-cutler-upset-over-festering-issues-between-bears-players-coaches


The future of Bears coach Marc Trestman and general manager Phil Emery were cast into further questioning this week, when offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer and the staff dealt with his awkward admittance that he has disparaged struggling quarterback Jay Cutler to an NFL Network reporter.


There's not supposed to be a comma between week and when.


Kromer's tearful apology to the players, and his uncomfortable press conference Friday, drew further attention to what has been a tumultuous tenure for Trestman and Emery, which several sources has included a failure of leadership.


"which several sources has included a failure of leadership" - huh? Once again, the comma between players and 'and' and the comma between Friday and drew are unnecessary.


While Cutler took the high road when he met with the media Friday, privately he has been fuming at this latest media tempest, and it hard to imagine him working with Kromer beyond the duration of this last season. Furthermore, clauses included in Bears coaching contracts regarding guidelines for dealing with the media could result in a case for Kromer's termination “for cause,” while Cutler will be watching very closely to see what changes, if any, occur to the staff, with his contract essentially guaranteed through 2015.


"and it hard to imagine" - was this written by a four year old? Also, you put the comma outside of the quotes on "for cause". And what the fuck are you double-quoting for cause for? Are you doctor evil?


The episode with Kromer highlights what has been a bizarre season for the Bears, who have suffered numbers blowout defeats. There has been little to no pushback from the head coach on general manager against slumping star players, sources said, Trestman's laid-back style to allowing players to govern their own locker room has blown up -- with the roster construction devoid of necessary chemistry -- and some mistrust brewing between players and the staff.


This whole paragraph... wow.


Earlier this season, sources said, receiver Brandon Marshall and assistant defensive backs coach Chris Harris got into a very heated altercation when Marshall was not in shells for a shells-only practice, that was allowed to fester without Trestman or Emery intervening. It spilled over to another portion of practice, and was only mentioned briefly at the next team meeting, without any word of penalties or discipline.


Every comma in this paragraph is unnecessary. Do you think you just throw commas wherever the fuck you think they make sense? I don't, just, fucking add comments.


Players have far too wide a swath, sources said, and have been able to take advantage of the lack of discipline at times. Others noted that Trestman frequently addresses the team at full-squad meetings from the back of the room -- facing their backs -- rather than the front and there have been fiery exchanges between players in the locker room as well without the head coach or general manager putting down a mandate for what is and is not acceptable.


Can you have too wide a swath?


Trestman is not heavily involved in aspects outside of the offense, sources said, and has focused a bulk of his energy on trying to devise schemes and game plans to get that unit out of its extended funk, perhaps at the detriment of other areas.

There are concerns about the roster and personnel as well.

Chicago has invested precious little into its defense -- big signings like Jared Allen have been fruitless and many recent draft picks have not panned out -- and, for all they are spending on offense, that unit has been lost despite that being Trestman's forte. On offense, several scouts and coaches who have prepared for the Bears noted that they have too many of the same type of player at tight end and receiver -- big size without separating speed -- and three trusted evaluators noted they have one of the slowest receiving groups in the NFL, despite all the accolades that have gone to Marshall, Alshon Jeffery and Martellus Bennett.

That has made them easier to defend, and when coupled with a tendency to abandon the run and an easily overwhelmed offensive line and a turnover-prone quarterback, has led to a wasted season in which the unit has failed to reach 30 points and has done a considerable amount of its damage in garbage time of games in which they were trailing miserably.

Bears ownership is generally very conservative, and firing a second-year coach and general manager is not in their nature, but the outrage by fans (burning Cutler jerseys, etc.) and Kromer's incident this week could change things. Many top candidates would have trepidation about the organization with team president Ted Phillips in charge, however, and if nothing else there is expected to be changes at the coordinator level, though the nature of the unrest and failings of this franchise run much deeper than that.


Who the fuck is burning Cutler jerseys?

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kromer was perfectly suited to be an offensive line coach. there was evidence of that with the bears as well as the saints. when he was given head coach duties with the saints, he just looked lost--although that wasn't really his fault because he didn't have much time to prepare to fill that spot.

none of these guys seem to have a handle on anything. although it's funny right now because both of these organizations are in equal disarray. i would give the nod to the saints simply because payton still seems to command a locker room and have respect of the players. i don't agree with peter king that he's "lost the locker room" but his time is probably coming to an end because he'll want to find greener pastures elsewhere.


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I was surprised Payton stayed with the Saints following all the controversy he faced. That said, I think what the Bears are going through is much more embarrassing than what happened with the bounty scandal.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Even when the story this week with Kromer was anti-Cutler, the Score broadcasters found a way to spin it in Cutler's favor by saying that he took the high road and that he was the victim. That's why I've come to hate them all as propagandists and misinformation dishers. The real victim in the story are the Chicago Bears fans. Kromer's comments revealed that we've been lied to by the Bears about Cutler all along, saying that he is an elite and smart quarterback. It turns out that he is neither, instead Cutler is the idiot pupil who after nine years still hasn't understood when and how to check out of a bad run play. And during all this time the Bears and Score broadcasters (even Doug until this year) covered for him and made excuses for Cutler.

Every Bears fan should throw away everything he owns about the team until the McCaskey's sell. The lying McCaskeys played you all for the fool.


DR I like the cut of your jib but you are mistaken on one point. The McFucksters never lied to Bears fans. Their actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than words ever could. They simply do not know what they are doing and have never hidden that fact. Bears fans have been fooling themselves with me included. This team overall has never been really good and I think any other NFL fan can see that, just ask Packers fans.

Since 1985 the Bears really haven't done anything of merit. They caught lightning in a bottle in 2006 and got beaten by a better coach and a HOF QB. Beyond that they haven't lived up to the expectations Bears fans have put on the team. These expectations weren't out of left field either since they are the second largest market and a charter franchise to boot.

This team is broken and will be until Ginny dies...and her sons. I have thrown out all my Bears shit but am having a hard time throwing out my jersey because it was a present. Jay Cutler is a shitty QB and was just smoke and mirrors. I was so happy when they traded for him but right now I want Kyle Orkman back and those draft picks.

Looking forward to reading the papers tomorrow and seeing the Bears have lost again. They deserve it for all they've done to the faithful fans.

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Mccaskeys cant lie when they dont speak.

This is a team that accepts losing and has become comfortable with it, from the very top down.

The only way things change is from the top down.

The theory of not firing people during the season because it wont change anything is a great example of the Mccaskeys more concerned with how they are viewed than the team progressing. Fire Mel Tucker, tell the new guy...whoemever you promote, to play those who havent played to get an evaluation of players.

Now, the issue with that is the people evaluating the players. Emery had an entire offseason and draft to upgrade from chris conte , but everything he brought in still wasnt better. That alone should be fireable.


"Say something else really silly."

The theory of not firing people for the sake of firing them is an example of how much the McCaskey's DO NOT CARE what the opinion of others is.

There is not one Bear defensive player that has been on the roster since 9/1 that hasn't already seen significant playing time this year.

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