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Nas

Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:37 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Dude this is the real point. Nas is SPOT ON here. Trestman benched the guy the GM paid all those dollars to (the dollars that's really bugging everyone today) to prove one and only 1 point.... that JAY IS THE PROBLEM. That Trestman's system works without Jay.

You could say it did show Jay is the problem even if Clausen isn't the answer. Clausen, by your own admission, is absolutely horrible, and yet they almost beat a team that is currently the #2 seed in the conference.

This would be true if the offense was responsible. Detroit tried to give the game away and the Bears offense didn't take advantage. That's no knock on #8 but it is an indictment of Trestman. Any team should be able to win a game if they get a performance like we saw from the Bears defense and ST.

2 red zone interceptions
Muffed punt recovery at the 5
5 sacks
Blocked FG
Great acting job leading to a roughing the kicker
Forcing more punts than they have in the past month

We can stick to reality. The Bears almost beat the division leading Lions with Jimmy Clausen, who by all prior evidence is a horrible quarterback.

If X, Y, and Z don't happen the Bears get blown out, and if A, B, and C happen the Bears win. None of it changes what actually happened.

What I posted is what actually happened.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:37 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

If X, Y, and Z don't happen the Bears get blown out, and if A, B, and C happen the Bears win. None of it changes what actually happened.

And what happened was a loss with a less than mediocre two scoring drive performance by a career backup who should not start any NFL game except in dire emergency.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:38 am

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Nas wrote:

What I posted is what actually happened.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:40 am

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Noisy hasn't merely been a Cutler apologist; he was also one of a few posters on this board who thought that Trestman was as good or better of a hire than Bruce Arians! :lol:

Now you're just making stuff up. I thought Arians was probably going to be a better hire.

I was willing to entertain the idea of Trestman. I didn't find it very entertaining.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:41 am

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Nas wrote:

What I posted is what actually happened.

So did the Bears almost winning the game.

What are you arguing?

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:43 am

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Darkside wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

If X, Y, and Z don't happen the Bears get blown out, and if A, B, and C happen the Bears win. None of it changes what actually happened.

And what happened was a loss with a less than mediocre two scoring drive performance by a career backup who should not start any NFL game except in dire emergency.

Exactly.

The Bears almost won a game with a terrible quarterback. If a terrible quarterback can almost beat the division leaders then what does that say about the starter?

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:44 am

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Darkside wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

If X, Y, and Z don't happen the Bears get blown out, and if A, B, and C happen the Bears win. None of it changes what actually happened.

And what happened was a loss with a less than mediocre two scoring drive performance by a career backup who should not start any NFL game except in dire emergency.

What actually happened was a QB who hasn't started an NFL game in 4 YEARS, ran the Bears offense as well as Jay did. This wasn't like Jonathan Quinn or Craig Krenzel bad. Aikman was impressed. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I believe Troy Aikman knows a little bit about the QB position.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:44 am

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The guy wearing #8 has won less than 10% of the games he's started and 5% of the games he's played in. We should all be asking why he is our backup QB.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:46 am

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Scorehead wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

If X, Y, and Z don't happen the Bears get blown out, and if A, B, and C happen the Bears win. None of it changes what actually happened.

And what happened was a loss with a less than mediocre two scoring drive performance by a career backup who should not start any NFL game except in dire emergency.

He didn't have a choice. He had to stick to the script. They were impressed with the way he walked to the huddle and took the snap.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:53 am

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Noisy hasn't merely been a Cutler apologist; he was also one of a few posters on this board who thought that Trestman was as good or better of a hire than Bruce Arians! :lol:

Now you're just making stuff up. I thought Arians was probably going to be a better hire.

I was willing to entertain the idea of Trestman. I didn't find it very entertaining.

OK, I went back and looked at the relevant thread, and you are more or less correct about this, Dr. You didn't think either would be a very good coach, but you had a slight preference for Arians over Trestman.

Still not very good thoughts!

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:54 am

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Nas wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

If X, Y, and Z don't happen the Bears get blown out, and if A, B, and C happen the Bears win. None of it changes what actually happened.

And what happened was a loss with a less than mediocre two scoring drive performance by a career backup who should not start any NFL game except in dire emergency.

He didn't have a choice. He had to stick to the script. They were impressed with the way he walked to the huddle and took the snap.

And didnt throw multiple interceptions. And hit receivers in stride (as opposed to the receiver having to catch the ball behind their heads) and checked out of bad play calls and into good ones

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:58 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Noisy hasn't merely been a Cutler apologist; he was also one of a few posters on this board who thought that Trestman was as good or better of a hire than Bruce Arians! :lol:

Now you're just making stuff up. I thought Arians was probably going to be a better hire.

I was willing to entertain the idea of Trestman. I didn't find it very entertaining.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on the Trestman hire wrote:

I'm lukewarm to this at best. This could be a tremendous failure. Odds are that it will be.

This was a pretty good thought.

Arians is doing better than I thought he would.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:01 pm

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They still had 250 yards of offense and 14 points. That's ignoring all the gifts they were given. If that's the offensive production we get from a desperate coach they should fire him now.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:09 pm

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I was a long time Cutler apologist but once the Bears shored up the line and improved the talent of the skills position players it became difficult to make any more excuses for him. They have gone through a number of coordinators and yet he still can't get it together. It is painfully obvious that he is the problem. He makes far too many mistakes.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:09 pm

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Noisy hasn't merely been a Cutler apologist; he was also one of a few posters on this board who thought that Trestman was as good or better of a hire than Bruce Arians! :lol:

Now you're just making stuff up. I thought Arians was probably going to be a better hire.

I was willing to entertain the idea of Trestman. I didn't find it very entertaining.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on the Trestman hire wrote:

I'm lukewarm to this at best. This could be a tremendous failure. Odds are that it will be.

This was a pretty good thought.

Arians is doing better than I thought he would.

Given that you thought that Arians was only "probably" a better hire than Trestman, I'd say Arians is doing quite a bit better than you anticipated.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:17 pm

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Scorehead wrote:

What actually happened was a QB who hasn't started an NFL game in 4 YEARS, ran the Bears offense as well as Jay did.

No. No he didn't.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:18 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

The most embarassing thing about Bears fans is that some of them are still apologizing for Cutler like a beaten woman excusing their abusive boyfriend.

This seems like a completely normal talking point when discussing the performance of a QB on a football team

Are you ok? You are really passionate about this.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:18 pm

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I am not sure how anyone could say that Trestman is not the problem.

Yes Cutler is a huge problem for the offense.

But let's not forget how bad the D and Spec teams have been this year.

Trestman is a huge problem as well.

Both Trestman and Cutler deserve to be gone next year.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:19 pm

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RFDC wrote:

The thing is that we know Trestman is gone and everyone agrees.

Many want Jay back next year.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:19 pm

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Cutler>Trestman

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:21 pm

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Nas wrote:

Cutler>Trestman

In pretty much anything

Arm strength
Foot speed
Play calling
Hair

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:22 pm

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spanky wrote:

Nas wrote:

Cutler>Trestman

In pretty much anything

Arm strength
Foot speed
Play calling
Hair

He probably a better leader of men too.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:22 pm

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spanky wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

The most embarassing thing about Bears fans is that some of them are still apologizing for Cutler like a beaten woman excusing their abusive boyfriend.

This seems like a completely normal talking point when discussing the performance of a QB on a football team

Are you ok? You are really passionate about this.

It's actually called an analogy and it's a good one.

Dont play the "chill dude" card. It doesnt suit you. :lol:

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:23 pm

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Darkside wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

What actually happened was a QB who hasn't started an NFL game in 4 YEARS, ran the Bears offense as well as Jay did.

No. No he didn't.

You say that like it's fact. But many disagree with you.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:26 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

The most embarassing thing about Bears fans is that some of them are still apologizing for Cutler like a beaten woman excusing their abusive boyfriend.

I've seen almost nobody apologizing for Jay's performance this year in the past 24 hours.

Couple posts of guys saying they should take one more shot with him next year, maybe 2 or 3 of those.

And then Darkside, who's kind of shotgunning a lot of thoughts out there. I haven't been able to process all his football information just yet. I need to set aside a few hours this evening and go through it again.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:28 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

What actually happened was a QB who hasn't started an NFL game in 4 YEARS, ran the Bears offense as well as Jay did.

No. No he didn't.

You say that like it's fact. But many disagree with you.

Well sorry. Let me say it like an the opinion that it is then.

No. No, I don't think he did.

(because he didn't)

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:32 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

spanky wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

The most embarassing thing about Bears fans is that some of them are still apologizing for Cutler like a beaten woman excusing their abusive boyfriend.

This seems like a completely normal talking point when discussing the performance of a QB on a football team

Are you ok? You are really passionate about this.

It's actually called an analogy and it's a good one.

Dont play the "chill dude" card. It doesnt suit you. :lol:

Are you drunk? Who said "chill dude"?

You're comparing fans of a QB with beaten women. And then saying it's a good analogy?
It's actually a terrible analogy. Cutler holds no power or control over me financially, physically, emotionally.......which are some the reasons why abused women stay with their abusers, no?

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:33 pm

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Nas wrote:

Every scoring drive the Bears had was a gift by the Lions. They did everything they could to keep the Bears in the game. The offense doesn't score without help from the Lions. I am embarrassed as a Bears fan that anyone would celebrate what #8 did.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:34 pm

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Physically he does, spany. You know you love his eyes, 5 o'clock shadow, and his "don't care" face.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmy Claussen

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:35 pm

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Ice Bath.

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