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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:34 pm 
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Clearly wrong but every person has thoughts that prove to be incorrect.


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Clearly wrong but every person has thoughts that prove to be incorrect.


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I meant rpb.

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So Accorsi would take Leaf over Manning; and Elway (who would rather play baseball than play for your team) over Marino or Kelly. I've got a bad feeling about this.


Bob Irsay pulled the gaffe on the Elway deal.

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So Accorsi would take Leaf over Manning; and Elway (who would rather play baseball than play for your team) over Marino or Kelly. I've got a bad feeling about this.
He did one hell of a job with the Giants though, including the quarterback.

The idea that you are forever stupid if you thought Leaf may be better than Manning is really dumb. Clearly wrong but every person has thoughts that prove to be incorrect.


Yeah hindsight is 20/20, and being a good GM is more than evaluating one position, but again with the Giants he traded Philip Rivers for Eli Manning.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:44 pm 
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Bernstein says Marshall will be gone.


I feel completely out of step with the bear world in thinking this is a huge mistake
He doesn't really help teams he is on, is a big distraction, is going to be injury prone his whole career, and he is already past his expiration date for being an even bigger issue for the team on or off the field.

I'd take my chances with another WR in the draft, especially if some desperate team will give you a 5th round pick for him.


I understand the position. I just don't agree with either the conclusion or underlying premises.

A fifth rounder is basically just salary relief.

I think he is still a 1,000 yard WR whose impact on the field is enormous and apparent. I believe he was playing injured and even then was the best WR on the field most days.

I don't think he is a big distraction on the field, certainly not as big as a guy like say Dez Bryant. I believe his off the field antics have little to no impact on the team and would disappear under a more "structured" coaching situation.

The NFL is a passing league where almost everyone has two major producers.

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Yeah hindsight is 20/20, and being a good GM is more important than evaluating one position, but again with the Giants he traded Philip Rivers for Eli Manning.
Which was easily the right move in hindsight.

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I think he is still a 1,000 yard WR whose impact on the field is enormous and apparent. I believe he was playing injured and even then was the best WR on the field most days.
His teams almost always suck though. I know you can't blame one player for the total results of a team but there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that indicates his gaudy numbers do much for your team.

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Yeah hindsight is 20/20, and being a good GM is more important than evaluating one position, but again with the Giants he traded Philip Rivers for Eli Manning.
Which was easily the right move in hindsight.


How so? Rivers is the better player. Marino is better than Elway. Manning is better than Leaf.

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Yeah hindsight is 20/20, and being a good GM is more important than evaluating one position, but again with the Giants he traded Philip Rivers for Eli Manning.
Which was easily the right move in hindsight.


How so? Rivers is the better player. Marino is better than Elway. Manning is better than Leaf.
2 rings and a 2 time Super Bowl MVP.

Rivers has better numbers but you aren't going to give back Manning's career at this point.

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I think he is still a 1,000 yard WR whose impact on the field is enormous and apparent. I believe he was playing injured and even then was the best WR on the field most days.
His teams almost always suck though. I know you can't blame one player for the total results of a team but there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that indicates his gaudy numbers do much for your team.


Carmelo Anthony of the NFL?

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RE: Marshall

How do you shut the guy up? He is a big distraction OFF the field. I'm not a big believer in that kind of thing, but this guy is like an enormous hemorroid.

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2 rings and a 2 time Super Bowl MVP.


Who never played a down for your team after declaring that he wouldn't, yet was still selected by Accorsi despite there being comparable talent available. Regardless of Irsay's meddlesome nature (which Accorsi should have also been aware of) they ended up with a multiple Pro Bowl lineman instead of a HOF QB.

Again, this guy is going to select the next brain trust for the Bears and he has a track record of making questionable important decisions.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think he is still a 1,000 yard WR whose impact on the field is enormous and apparent. I believe he was playing injured and even then was the best WR on the field most days.
His teams almost always suck though. I know you can't blame one player for the total results of a team but there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that indicates his gaudy numbers do much for your team.


There are a lot of parts that go into winning a game. He performs his part better than just about anyone else at his position as of 2013.

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MajorKong wrote:
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2 rings and a 2 time Super Bowl MVP.


Who never played a down for down for your team after declaring that he wouldn't, yet was still selected by Accorsi despite there being comparable talent available. Regardless of Irsay's meddlesome nature (which Accorsi should have also been aware of) they ended up with a multiple Pro Bowl lineman instead of a HOF QB.

Again, this guy is going to select the next brain trust for the Bears and he has a track record of making questionable important decisions.


ESPN had a 30 for 30 on this subject. And that's not how it went down. Irsay stepped in and pulled the trigger on a horrible deal.

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Who never played a down for your team after declaring that he wouldn't, yet was still selected by Accorsi despite there being comparable talent available. Regardless of Irsay's meddlesome nature (which Accorsi should have also been aware of) they ended up with a multiple Pro Bowl lineman instead of a HOF QB.
Huh? I'm talking about Eli.

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2 rings and a 2 time Super Bowl MVP.


Who never played a down for down for your team after declaring that he wouldn't, yet was still selected by Accorsi despite there being comparable talent available. Regardless of Irsay's meddlesome nature (which Accorsi should have also been aware of) they ended up with a multiple Pro Bowl lineman instead of a HOF QB.

Again, this guy is going to select the next brain trust for the Bears and he has a track record of making questionable important decisions.


ESPN had a 30 for 30 on this subject. And that's not how it went down. Irsay stepped in and pulled the trigger on a horrible deal.


Yeah I saw it. By my recollection, Accorsi was hell bent on selecting what he felt was the best player and at the very least leveraging a hefty bounty for Elway, all while fighting Irsay for his autonomy on the to do so. My point is that he could have sidestepped the whole issue by taking one of the other QBs that didn't have those complications.

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So did they rip on Stuart Scott?


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How could they not when they refer to ESPN with such distain as boo-yahs, which was Scott's creation

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Who never played a down for your team after declaring that he wouldn't, yet was still selected by Accorsi despite there being comparable talent available. Regardless of Irsay's meddlesome nature (which Accorsi should have also been aware of) they ended up with a multiple Pro Bowl lineman instead of a HOF QB.
Huh? I'm talking about Eli.


Ah, forgot Elway only won one Super Bowl MVP. Gotcha. I still think Rivers is better at quarterbacking.

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One thing I always agree about with Bernsy is Stuart Scott. Couldn't stand him - even as a kid. Don't watch ESPN especially this day and age with twitter and all the highlights being available to you whenever you want. Don't need constant coverage on Tim Tebow or Johnny Manziel


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MajorKong wrote:
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Who never played a down for your team after declaring that he wouldn't, yet was still selected by Accorsi despite there being comparable talent available. Regardless of Irsay's meddlesome nature (which Accorsi should have also been aware of) they ended up with a multiple Pro Bowl lineman instead of a HOF QB.
Huh? I'm talking about Eli.


Ah, forgot Elway only won one Super Bowl MVP. Gotcha. I still think Rivers is better at quarterbacking.
I'd say Rivers is better too but with Eli's accomplishment you absolutely have to consider it to be the right move.

Eli was great in both of those playoffs.

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Bernstein says Marshall will be gone.


I feel completely out of step with the bear world in thinking this is a huge mistake
He doesn't really help teams he is on, is a big distraction, is going to be injury prone his whole career, and he is already past his expiration date for being an even bigger issue for the team on or off the field.

I'd take my chances with another WR in the draft, especially if some desperate team will give you a 5th round pick for him.


If the next GM doesn't get the benefits of Marshall, and the organization has already cut him (as is being spectacularly reported) then why should the GM plug the hole by spending money on top of the lost/sunk money? Moreover, by their sources, how much contract do our intrepid reporters/hosts think the Bears are looking to eat comfortably? Why stop with just Marshall?

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If the next GM doesn't get the benefits of Marshall, and the organization has already cut him (as is being spectacularly reported) then why should the GM plug the hole by spending money on top of the lost/sunk money? Moreover, by their sources, how much contract do our intrepid reporters/hosts think the Bears are looking to eat comfortably? Why stop with just Marshall?
To build for the future and to get younger and cheaper.

It's a rebuild.

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This ain't baseball and the Theo plan for rebuilding is not one size fits all. Dumping Marshall doesn't save McCaskey money, and plenty has already been wasted on and by Emery.

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Getting 2/3 Marshall is better than eating that contract ya boobs.

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Getting 2/3 Marshall is better than eating that contract ya boobs.


And the "great" Alshon Jeffery got really pedestrian when Marshall wasn't on the field or healthy

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