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Out of curiosity, exactly what do so many Europeans find funny about mocking/clowning Muhammad?

Even some here think its....something (in fairness, I've never read here how it's funny). Instead of seeing it for the sophomoric attempt at humor that it weakly is, they (even here) wrap themselves as victims in the perceived assault on "their" jointly cherished freedom of speech?!? It isn't a question so much of freedom of speech as it seems to be free to be an ass to others without consideration or consequence.

It's kind of looking like the debate we have around here about some not being able to use the N-word or other ethnic/religious slurs in polite (or even mixed) company. Is it just because (the generic) YOU have been told not to that makes it so seductive? I really don't get it.
I don't think they are mocking it as a joke as much as they are mocking it as a statement that they won't back down from violent religious nutjobs who seek to not only destroy them but also institute things that move back society about 1,000 years.

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they do it just to point out how dangerous these people are.

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Out of curiosity, exactly what do so many Europeans find funny about mocking/clowning Muhammad?

Even some here think its....something (in fairness, I've never read here how it's funny). Instead of seeing it for the sophomoric attempt at humor that it weakly is, they (even here) wrap themselves as victims in the perceived assault on "their" jointly cherished freedom of speech?!? It isn't a question so much of freedom of speech as it seems to be free to be an ass to others without consideration or consequence.

It's kind of looking like the debate we have around here about some not being able to use the N-word or other ethnic/religious slurs in polite (or even mixed) company. Is it just because (the generic) YOU have been told not to that makes it so seductive? I really don't get it.

Crap like this is what I'm talking about.

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I don't think they are mocking it as a joke as much as they are mocking it as a statement that they won't back down from violent religious nutjobs who seek to not only destroy them but also institute things that move back society about 1,000 years.


But it's been proven that they will back down. It's been proven that at this point they (Europeans) are powerless/unwilling to fight. The ridiculousness & childishness of mocking Muhammad being a last figurative line in the sand is obvious.

It's also been proven that the French/English/Belgians/Dutch/etc. have brought much of this madness upon themselves with their own colonial histories in that part of the world. "They" wanted to keep the Middle Eastern/African society back 1000 years. "They" conspired, enslaved and wanted to monopolize the fruits of that part of the world and maintain a very un-Christian & monstrous way of life there for the better part of the last 500 years.

Now that they are effectively impotent to stop what passes for progress in that part of the world & are being economically made irrelevant as a result, the best they can do is bad satire & foolish mockery?

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It isn't a question so much of freedom of speech as it seems to be free to be an ass to others without consideration or consequence.

It's kind of looking like the debate we have around here about some not being able to use the N-word or other ethnic/religious slurs in polite (or even mixed) company. Is it just because (the generic) YOU have been told not to that makes it so seductive? I really don't get it.



I think the bold part covers the majority of it.

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The "general Muslim community" sucks at condemning their bad apples. Liberal Protestants have no trouble distancing themselves from their wingnuts.


From a non Eurocentric perspective, this is much less true than you realize. The latter much more than the former in my opinion.

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Now that they are effectively impotent to stop what passes for progress in that part of the world


Trampling human rights is progress in any sense? Allahu akbar!

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they do it just to point out how dangerous these people are.


And sadly they proved the hell out of it.

But did anyone really question the unhinged nature of a growing segment of this group?

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But did anyone really question the unhinged nature of a growing segment of this group?

We're not here to live on their terms.

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Now that they are effectively impotent to stop what passes for progress in that part of the world


Trampling human rights is progress in any sense? Allahu akbar!


Up until the last half of the 20th century, we were one of the few examples of a country that successfully fought its way out from under European Colonialism.

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But did anyone really question the unhinged nature of a growing segment of this group?

We're not here to live on their terms.



Take a look at the population demographics in Europe.

They will learn to live on others terms in the very near future, like it or not.

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But did anyone really question the unhinged nature of a growing segment of this group?

We're not here to live on their terms.



Take a look at the population demographics in Europe.

They will learn to live on others terms in the very near future, like it or not.


Just like with our own shifting demographics, some will have to learn here as well.

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Why are you a champion of misogynists and murderers?

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Seacrest above is right.

RR I do not see your larger point. You make your points but do not see that all other religions do not kill people or blow up things for jokes about their faiths/deities? Is some crazy ass Christian ok to go shoot Bernsie for all the shit he says? You are blaming the victims and that is not you usually.

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Why are you a champion of misogynists and murderers?


I'm not defending them.

I'm questioning the "intelligence" of a group of people that find it wise to appeal to the worst in others thru their "freedom" of speech. And then being surprised when the guys from that group do exactly what they baited them onto doing.

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Why are you a champion of misogynists and murderers?


I'm not defending them.

I'm questioning the "intelligence" of a group of people that find it wise to appeal to the worst in others thru their "freedom" of speech. And then being surprised when the guys from that group do exactly what they baited them onto doing.


I was addressing Regular Reader, who is aligning himself with that gutter faith.

While talking shit about Islam certainly belies any sense of self-preservation in our enlightened Western world, I don't think it makes one unintelligent to point out what a horrible belief system it is. And I don't think anyone's surprised at all.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I don't think they are mocking it as a joke as much as they are mocking it as a statement that they won't back down from violent religious nutjobs who seek to not only destroy them but also institute things that move back society about 1,000 years.


But it's been proven that they will back down. It's been proven that at this point they (Europeans) are powerless/unwilling to fight. The ridiculousness & childishness of mocking Muhammad being a last figurative line in the sand is obvious.

It's also been proven that the French/English/Belgians/Dutch/etc. have brought much of this madness upon themselves with their own colonial histories in that part of the world. "They" wanted to keep the Middle Eastern/African society back 1000 years. "They" conspired, enslaved and wanted to monopolize the fruits of that part of the world and maintain a very un-Christian & monstrous way of life there for the better part of the last 500 years.

Now that they are effectively impotent to stop what passes for progress in that part of the world & are being economically made irrelevant as a result, the best they can do is bad satire & foolish mockery?
They will fight it soon enough.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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But did anyone really question the unhinged nature of a growing segment of this group?

We're not here to live on their terms.



Take a look at the population demographics in Europe.

They will learn to live on others terms in the very near future, like it or not.


I'm hoping the "Europeans" see where that story ends (with many people headless etc.) and think better of it.

There is still time. I'm hoping our friends across the pond think of something better to do than leading themselves gleefully into the slaughterhouse.

It isn't like there aren't a plethora of places that one can point to and say, "Hey, maybe that isn't what we want to condemn ourselves to?"


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Europe and the U.K should maybe start to think really, really hard about a few things.


Once again I suggest reading this

http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0767920058#

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For some reason in Europe they are more PC or I'm ok you're ok than here. They have parts of their countries segregated and doing Sharia law rather than French for one example's law. It really has some open border / immigration issues and things are getting tense.

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For some reason in Europe they are more PC or I'm ok you're ok than here. They have parts of their countries segregated and doing Sharia law rather than French for one example's law. It really has some open border / immigration issues and things are getting tense.
That is what they pretend but it has never really been that way.

That was always the ironic thing about how the perception used to be that America was more intolerant. Most European countries treat immigrants much worse than we do and they always have.

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Why are you a champion of misogynists and murderers?


I'm not defending them.

I'm questioning the "intelligence" of a group of people that find it wise to appeal to the worst in others thru their "freedom" of speech. And then being surprised when the guys from that group do exactly what they baited them onto doing.


I was addressing Regular Reader, who is aligning himself with that gutter faith.

While talking shit about Islam certainly belies any sense of self-preservation in our enlightened Western world, I don't think it makes one unintelligent to point out what a horrible belief system it is. And I don't think anyone's surprised at all.


By childishly mocking the main "Prophet" of one of the world's main religions, exactly where is the intelligent discourse pointing out what a horrible belief system it is?

I don't know Islam and don't really care to. I don't know how you have me aligning myself with that faith, or the gutter trash committing murders in the name of ANY religion. I'm something of a non-practicing Catholic who would much rather see the commonalities in all of us rather than slavishly defending/attacking any element of another persons faith/religion. I'd prefer to continue to ask the question as to the benefit of satirizing another's religion in an infantile way.

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But did anyone really question the unhinged nature of a growing segment of this group?

We're not here to live on their terms.



Take a look at the population demographics in Europe.

They will learn to live on others terms in the very near future, like it or not.


I'm hoping the "Europeans" see where that story ends (with many people headless etc.) and think better of it.

There is still time. I'm hoping our friends across the pond think of something better to do than leading themselves gleefully into the slaughterhouse.

It isn't like there aren't a plethora of places that one can point to and say, "Hey, maybe that isn't what we want to condemn ourselves to?"


They are going to have to provide a positive alternative. Soon.

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By childishly mocking the main "Prophet" of one of the world's main religions, exactly where is the intelligent discourse pointing out what a horrible belief system it is?
The intelligent discourse is more about getting the rest of the world to realize what is being faced here. It's a shame our country didn't handle things better or it would be even easier.

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Now that they are effectively impotent to stop what passes for progress in that part of the world


Trampling human rights is progress in any sense? Allahu akbar!


Up until the last half of the 20th century, we were one of the few examples of a country that successfully fought its way out from under European Colonialism.


This.

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To clarify....

This latest attack wasn't due to someone drawing an image of the Prophet Mohammed.

This latest attack (12 dead in Paris) was due to the cartoonist posting a picture of the leader of ISIS.

I guess that's all it takes these days.

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Out of curiosity, exactly what do so many Europeans find funny about mocking/clowning Muhammad?

Even some here think its....something (in fairness, I've never read here how it's funny). Instead of seeing it for the sophomoric attempt at humor that it weakly is, they (even here) wrap themselves as victims in the perceived assault on "their" jointly cherished freedom of speech?!? It isn't a question so much of freedom of speech as it seems to be free to be an ass to others without consideration or consequence.

It's kind of looking like the debate we have around here about some not being able to use the N-word or other ethnic/religious slurs in polite (or even mixed) company. Is it just because (the generic) YOU have been told not to that makes it so seductive? I really don't get it.


Not exactly on topic, but close enough. I got this email on 5/9/10. The subject of the email was "going beyond disrespect". Here is the body of the email:

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JUST GET THE WORD OUT


It's okay to mock Mohammad, but don't mock Jesus. Granted, I don't think anybody who sent that email wants to shoot 12 people, but it's funny to see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.

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To clarify....

This latest attack wasn't due to someone drawing an image of the Prophet Mohammed.

This latest attack (12 dead in Paris) was due to the cartoonist posting a picture of the leader of ISIS.

I guess that's all it takes these days.

Ah, how I long for the days of crucifixes placed in jars of urine!


While that may be the most recent turn, the French police were noted to have been actively (?) providing protection to their offices because of their prior history of satirizing Muhammad in cartoons. All I know is that if I'm actively discussing a terrorist group of unhinged wingnuts, I'm not using petty & lowest common denominator methods.

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Out of curiosity, exactly what do so many Europeans find funny about mocking/clowning Muhammad?

Even some here think its....something (in fairness, I've never read here how it's funny). Instead of seeing it for the sophomoric attempt at humor that it weakly is, they (even here) wrap themselves as victims in the perceived assault on "their" jointly cherished freedom of speech?!? It isn't a question so much of freedom of speech as it seems to be free to be an ass to others without consideration or consequence.

It's kind of looking like the debate we have around here about some not being able to use the N-word or other ethnic/religious slurs in polite (or even mixed) company. Is it just because (the generic) YOU have been told not to that makes it so seductive? I really don't get it.


Not exactly on topic, but close enough. I got this email on 5/9/10. The subject of the email was "going beyond disrespect". Here is the body of the email:

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| The movie " Corpus Christi " is due to be released this June to August. A disgusting film set to appear in America later this year depicts Jesus and his disciples as homosexuals! As a play, this has already been in theatres for a while. It's called " Corpus Christi " which means "The Body of Christ". It's revolting mockery of our Lord. But we can make a difference. That's why I am sending this e-mail to you. If you do send this around, we just might be able to prevent this film from showing in America . Let's stand for what we believe in and stop the mockery of Jesus Christ our Savior. Where do we stand as Christians? At the risk of a bit of inconvenience, I'm forwarding this to all I think would appreciate it, too. Please help us prevent such offenses against our Lord. There is no petition to sign, no time limit, or minimum number of people to send this to.. It will take you less than 2 minutes! If you are not interested and do not have the 2 minutes it will take to do this, please don't complain when God does not have time for you because He is far busier than we are. Hey, it's worth a shot! Apparently, some regions in Europe have already banned the film. All we need is a lot of prayer and a lot of e-mails.

JUST GET THE WORD OUT



It's okay to mock Mohammad, but don't mock Jesus. Granted, I don't think anybody who sent that email wants to shoot 12 people, but it's funny to see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.


If they then went out and executed the film creators this would be a good example.

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