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For those curious as to why Muslims seem to never speak out .... that's apparently a false presumption ....



People speak out, but words are easy. You have to build successful families, religious communities, school environments, etc. That shit is fucking hard work and most humans are not willing to do hard work for the benefit of others.

That shit takes generations though. You'd have to be a little patient with that kind of change.


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If BRick waves the white flag, the terrorists have won.
It was a victory flag. Notice long time guy has been silent.


That's a relief. USA! USA! USA!

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[That shit takes generations though. You'd have to be a little patient with that kind of change.



Just put John Schneider in charge. He'll turn it around in three years.

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[That shit takes generations though. You'd have to be a little patient with that kind of change.



Just put John Schneider in charge. He'll turn it around in three years.

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If BRick waves the white flag, the terrorists have won.
It was a victory flag. Notice long time guy has been silent.

Silence is golden.

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For those curious as to why Muslims seem to never speak out .... that's apparently a false presumption ....



People speak out, but words are easy. You have to build successful families, religious communities, school environments, etc. That shit is fucking hard work and most humans are not willing to do hard work for the benefit of others.

That shit takes generations though. You'd have to be a little patient with that kind of change.



THAT'S RIGHT! JUST LIKE IT TOOK GENERATIONS TO GET FROM THE BEATLES TO ED SHEERAN.

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By refusing to condemn the actions of the Saudi Arabian govt. demonstrates a tacit endorsement of it. You're asking a group of people (moderate) Muslims to risk their lives to condemn the actions of radicals when our govt is unwilling to condemn the actions of the Saudi Arabian govt. You wonder why that isn't a bit hypocritical. Quite frankly your rationale for not doing so is rather weak. The U.S. Government has no problem performing drone attacks in Muslim countries. They has no problem shipping "suspected" terrorists to Guantanamo, often under dubious circumstances and trumped up charges, but dont let them condemn the actions of the Saudi Arabian government. No no no we mustn't do that for fear that they won't somehow like us. How do you sound?
You are saying a lot without actually saying how sanctions against Saudi Arabia would help.
We could completely cut them off like North Korea and they aren't going to suddenly decide non-Muslim religions are ok. Our best option is to work with them and export our culture and ideas to them.

Your idea that the way to improve the Muslim world is for us to be MORE adversarial with them is laughingly bad.


We went that route and it did not work,see Iran and Syria.
These people understand one thing, strength and the application of it.
To say that by them being exposed to western culture will moderate them is an invalid point as there are honor killings and attacks like we see here in Paris.
They are setting up zones in major cities all across Europe that are being rules by Sharia Law, not the laws of the countries they are living in and for the most part living there on public aid not as workers.
Islam does not and will not unless a major reformation and moving forward from the middle age thinking that it seems stuck in.

As for the peace prize winners remember Arafat was one of them,that right there invalidates the prize from then on forever.

Unless there is some mellowing of the adherents to the religion they need to be separated from the rest of the civilized world.

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Chus wrote:
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If BRick waves the white flag, the terrorists have won.
It was a victory flag. Notice long time guy has been silent.


That's a relief. USA! USA! USA!

Don't you think that is a little ironic that you would want someone to be silenced. I ain't saying I'm just saying!

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If BRick waves the white flag, the terrorists have won.
It was a victory flag. Notice long time guy has been silent.


That's a relief. USA! USA! USA!

Don't you think that is a little ironic that you would want someone to be silenced. I ain't saying I'm just saying!


I was saying it is a relief that the terrorists didn't win.

I don't want anybody to be silenced. I'm just having fun in this thread.

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So am I. My bad

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By refusing to condemn the actions of the Saudi Arabian govt. demonstrates a tacit endorsement of it. You're asking a group of people (moderate) Muslims to risk their lives to condemn the actions of radicals when our govt is unwilling to condemn the actions of the Saudi Arabian govt. You wonder why that isn't a bit hypocritical. Quite frankly your rationale for not doing so is rather weak. The U.S. Government has no problem performing drone attacks in Muslim countries. They has no problem shipping "suspected" terrorists to Guantanamo, often under dubious circumstances and trumped up charges, but dont let them condemn the actions of the Saudi Arabian government. No no no we mustn't do that for fear that they won't somehow like us. How do you sound?
You are saying a lot without actually saying how sanctions against Saudi Arabia would help.
We could completely cut them off like North Korea and they aren't going to suddenly decide non-Muslim religions are ok. Our best option is to work with them and export our culture and ideas to them.

Your idea that the way to improve the Muslim world is for us to be MORE adversarial with them is laughingly bad.


We went that route and it did not work,see Iran and Syria.
These people understand one thing, strength and the application of it.
To say that by them being exposed to western culture will moderate them is an invalid point as there are honor killings and attacks like we see here in Paris.
They are setting up zones in major cities all across Europe that are being rules by Sharia Law, not the laws of the countries they are living in and for the most part living there on public aid not as workers.
Islam does not and will not unless a major reformation and moving forward from the middle age thinking that it seems stuck in.

As for the peace prize winners remember Arafat was one of them,that right there invalidates the prize from then on forever.

Unless there is some mellowing of the adherents to the religion they need to be separated from the rest of the civilized world.


you are absolutely right about that. It reminds of how the Bush propaganda crowd condescendingly believed that the Iraqis would be supportive of an American occupation merely because we gave them candy.

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We will be greeted as liberators, we will sprinkle freedom dust over Iraq, and the war will pay for itself.


Never said that the war was a good idea for those reasons. If Bush 1 would have went beyond his mandate and went to Bagdad would have made a lot more sense as well as bagged the chem weapons. They where there, you can not deny them as 1) He used them on both the Kurd and Iranians. 2) The French admitted they helped with them.

Chus come on man stop with the blame game shit. No one has gone after any of your sacred cows like Obama so please stop the shit starting okay. Grow the fuck up

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We will be greeted as liberators, we will sprinkle freedom dust over Iraq, and the war will pay for itself.


Never said that the war was a good idea for those reasons. If Bush 1 would have went beyond his mandate and went to Bagdad would have made a lot more sense as well as bagged the chem weapons. They where there, you can not deny them as 1) He used them on both the Kurd and Iranians. 2) The French admitted they helped with them.

Chus come on man stop with the blame game shit. No one has gone after any of your sacred cows like Obama so please stop the shit starting okay. Grow the fuck up


I thought you wanted to bury the hatchet, and start the year with a clean slate? Let the record show, that the first salvo was fired by you.

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Hey buddy how about we bury the hatchet and start the new year with a clean slate?


Sure.



I'm going to let this one slide.

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Dude,I am asking you to not start in your usual blame Bush routine. No one is dragging political parties into this, you are, that post of yours was a direct shot at Repubs and Bush. I was asking you to just not do it and to not back slide into your usual patterns.

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The two main suspects in Wednesday's Charlie Hebdo killings, Said and Chérif Kouachi, were reportedly spotted Thursday robbing a gas station about 50 miles northeast of Paris.
Police Identify Three Suspects From Deadly Charlie Hebdo Shooting

The Guardian is reporting that three suspects in this morning's deadly attack at the Charlie… Read more

The gas station's manager told the BBC that the men who robbed his store were "were heavily armed with Kalashnikovs and rocket-propelled grenade launchers" and apparently matched descriptions of the brothers.

Another witness tells Le Point, "They stole gasoline and food before taking flight in the direction of Seine et Marne [a neighboring county."

Bernard Cazeneuve, France's interior minister, confirmed to the New York Times that police arrested seven people overnight in connection to the shooting, "but he offered no details on their ties, if any, to the Kouachi brothers."

The youngest of the three suspects wanted for yesterday's killings, 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad, surrendered to police early Thursday.
Youngest Suspect in Charlie Hebdo Shooting Surrenders to French Police

One of the suspects in the Charlie Hebdo shooting has reportedly turned himself in to authorities… Read more

The Guardian reports that Chérif Kouachi served 18 months in prison in 2008 after being convicted of terrorism charges "for helping funnel fighters to Iraq's insurgency." His brother has reportedly been living in Riems for more than a year.

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They had this guy numerous times and let him go:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sus ... ar-AA7VvJX

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Dude,I am asking you to not start in your usual blame Bush routine.


You asked me if I wanted to bury the hatchet, and start fresh, and I said sure. That doesn't mean you get to tell me what I can, and cannot post. My post had nothing to do with you, and you told me to grow the fuck up. I am a reasonable man, so I am going to let that one slide.


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No one is dragging political parties into this, you are, that post of yours was a direct shot at Repubs and Bush.


The topic of Iraq came up. Everything I said was what came out of Bush's mouth, except the part about the freedom dust, which was me paraphrasing. I will take shots at Bush and the Republicans as I see fit.

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I was asking you to just not do it and to not back slide into your usual patterns.


Again, nowhere in the terms of our ceasefire, does it say you get to tell me how, or what to post. If you don't like my thoughts, put me on ignore. It's that simple. As far as you and I are concerned, I will not be the one to break the peace.

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They had this guy numerous times and let him go:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sus ... ar-AA7VvJX

Are you advocating holding someone in custody with no clear evidence of a crime being committed?

Perhaps Saudi Arabia might be the country for you.

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They had this guy numerous times and let him go:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sus ... ar-AA7VvJX

Are you advocating holding someone in custody with no clear evidence of a crime being committed?

Perhaps Saudi Arabia might be the country for you.

It might be then, because clearly this guy is a stand up human being.

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The more you look at it the only common thread that comes out of the moderate Islamic voice when something like this happens is they do not want any "anti-Islamic" Backlash. Why not? They are the first ones screaming about Western interference or Israeli retaliatory attacks. I am starting to think the reason is because they do not want the west a a whole to realize that Islam as a whole is making a concentrated effort to subjugate the west as per the Koran. We for lack of a better phrase are in a life and death struggle for the future of the world and how it will turn out. Maybe it is time we realize this and step up and do what needs to be done and start to push back. Appeasement does not work, just ask Chamberlain. Maybe Bush was right and this was going to be a long and drawn out war that was going to last longer than ten years as Obama wants us to think. Remember We still have military presence in both Germany and Japan.
Plus, Our so called allies in the Muslim world are for lack of a better world , total pricks.
If you look up who Ranks as the worst offenders for Human rights in the world ours Friends in Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan(Biggest bunch of jagoffs in the planet) and Yemen are all top 10. The only reason the Saudis are not listed is they pay everyone including Amnesty Int off so they don't get tagged.

Plus, can we please stop comparing Israel with the Islamic states surrounding them please? Israel is a democracy,they are not. In Israel you can practice your religion freely whither you b Jew,Christian or Muslim, There you can not. THe Israelis may not be the cleanest people in the world but the are not rolling in the pigsty like the Egyptians and Syrians are.
We need to shake off the laziness and realize we are going to have to fight for the future ,if not for us then for future generation. Time for the West to arm itself and once again kick the assholes in the nuts and make them our bitches.

Ohhh I looked up the Noble Prize shit, yeah the majority of the Islamic winners where......women who wanted equal rights that the men didn't want them to have so there yah go.

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I guess they just shot the brothers and the hostage is OK. That's one report. Unconfirmed by police. Another hostage situation by somebody not involved in the newspaper shootings. Big explosions from his spot.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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They had this guy numerous times and let him go:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sus ... ar-AA7VvJX

Are you advocating holding someone in custody with no clear evidence of a crime being committed?

Perhaps Saudi Arabia might be the country for you.

It might be then, because clearly this guy is a stand up human being.


Bush and Obama have had no issues with holding people for years without charging them with crimes.

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Yep. That is the issue that I have with a lot of the hand wringing over terrorism. We have no problem with murdering innocent people and in some cases committing terrorists acts. The drone attacks are acts of terrorism yet we choose to ignore them in this country. There are more innocent people killed by the drone strikes than there were in the french attacks. Guantanamo is a violation of civil liberties and we ignore that also. We have to take a look at our own policies and how our policies are impacting other parts of the world. It doesn't excuse terrorism or the actions of terrorist but it should force one to look at it from a different, albeit demented perspective.

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Yep. That is the issue that I have with a lot of the hand wringing over terrorism. We have no problem with murdering innocent people and in some cases committing terrorists acts. The drone attacks are acts of terrorism yet we choose to ignore them in this country. There are more innocent people killed by the drone strikes than there were in the french attacks. Guantanamo is a violation of civil liberties and we ignore that also. We have to take a look at our own policies and how our policies are impacting other parts of the world. It doesn't excuse terrorism or the actions of terrorist but it should force one to look at it from a different, albeit demented perspective.


Or when we get self righteous about other countries, and their human rights violations. We aren't holding public stonings, but we are hardly in any position to point fingers at other countries.

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Yep. That is the issue that I have with a lot of the hand wringing over terrorism. We have no problem with murdering innocent people and in some cases committing terrorists acts. The drone attacks are acts of terrorism yet we choose to ignore them in this country. There are more innocent people killed by the drone strikes than there were in the french attacks. Guantanamo is a violation of civil liberties and we ignore that also. We have to take a look at our own policies and how our policies are impacting other parts of the world. It doesn't excuse terrorism or the actions of terrorist but it should force one to look at it from a different, albeit demented perspective.


Or when we get self righteous about other countries, and their human rights violations. We aren't holding public stonings, but we are hardly in any position to point fingers at other countries.

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Yep. That is the issue that I have with a lot of the hand wringing over terrorism. We have no problem with murdering innocent people and in some cases committing terrorists acts. The drone attacks are acts of terrorism yet we choose to ignore them in this country. There are more innocent people killed by the drone strikes than there were in the french attacks. Guantanamo is a violation of civil liberties and we ignore that also. We have to take a look at our own policies and how our policies are impacting other parts of the world. It doesn't excuse terrorism or the actions of terrorist but it should force one to look at it from a different, albeit demented perspective.


Or when we get self righteous about other countries, and their human rights violations. We aren't holding public stonings, but we are hardly in any position to point fingers at other countries.

I think any NON stoning country has the right to mock any stoning country


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Yep. That is the issue that I have with a lot of the hand wringing over terrorism. We have no problem with murdering innocent people and in some cases committing terrorists acts. The drone attacks are acts of terrorism yet we choose to ignore them in this country. There are more innocent people killed by the drone strikes than there were in the french attacks. Guantanamo is a violation of civil liberties and we ignore that also. We have to take a look at our own policies and how our policies are impacting other parts of the world. It doesn't excuse terrorism or the actions of terrorist but it should force one to look at it from a different, albeit demented perspective.


Or when we get self righteous about other countries, and their human rights violations. We aren't holding public stonings, but we are hardly in any position to point fingers at other countries.
So you can't say things about anyone else if you aren't perfect?

Looks like we lost the Politics section at the right time, because it would be silent.

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