False.

Here is Obama calling it a terrorist attack. It's from FOX, so you can't dispute the source.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01 ... blication/


Here is John Kerry calling it a terrorist attack.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/0 ... 29758.html


Both articles are from Wednesday, the day of the attack.

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Yup Chus he does call it terrorism just as usual refuses to admit Islam has anything to do with it.

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Okay, we can let that talking point go.

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You cannot defeat an idea with weapons. I would like to believe we are smart enough to realize this.

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And CNN's Christiane Amanpour called the terrorists "Activists".
Don't have a link, but trust me, I've been flipping between CNN and BBCAmerica all day,
and I saw it with my own eyes.
"ACTIVISTS"?????????????
Fuck off.
The admin. and it's cable news mouthpieces go out of their way to avoid the Islam correlation.

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Yes you can by killing them all

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

It doesn't matter what she calls them.

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You can't kill billions of people. Besides you would have to kill Americans too.

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We can "Escape from NY" them

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

You omitted the last sentence in my post.
Not surprised.

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So what do you propose?

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Amanpour has been known to be anti-Israel so this isn't surprising. CNN anchor called the grocery store terrorist African-American and was corrected...so afraid to use the word "black". White House still refusing to call this an act by radical Islamists

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You have to change the hearts and minds of the next generation. We provide all the ammunition they need for their propaganda machine. That kid that was 4 years old in 2001 was taught and shown his entire life that America and the rest of the West hates Muslims. He is now an adult and he has seen enough evidence to believe it's true. Violence hasn't changed anything but create another group of people that hate us. Unless endless war is the goal we need a new strategy. An idea just can't be defeated with a bomb. As long as we are bombing that idea will continue to spread across the globe like a cancer.

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Muslims are killing more of each other than they are Westerners. Are we to blame for that too? 130 kids murdered in Pakistan. 200 girls in Nigeria...

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This idea that it's time to pile on Obama because of terrorism in France is ludicrous. I'm not surprised.

I don't need my president to call out Iran, Iraq, and North Korea the axis of evil. I am more interested in his actions, rather than his words.

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Here the terrorist plot that you didn't hear about.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/01/ ... 420719589/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/the- ... this-week/

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rom ... 6e225.html

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So you want to educate while troops are being killed in Afghanistan and people are killed simply for printing a cartoon of Mohammed? Radical Islamist terrorist groups don't believe in negotiation or peace...their demands are simple: conform to Islam or be killed. Even Muslims are killed simply for refusing to go along with terrorist demands so their philosophy is hypocritical.

I acknowledge innocent people have died during our operations but what happened on 9/11 did not involve taking out military targets (save the Pentagon). The "torture" we were accused of are child's play compared to what terrorists do to their prisoners, but since the media chooses not to report that then we are portrayed as the evil Americans. The silent majority of Islam needs to speak up and turn in people who preach terrorism in the name of a religion; not every single Muslim takes the Quran to heart and actually believe in freedom to express your religious and political beliefs in a legal matter.

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not every muslim believes in what isis is doing but they arent doing anything about it either. if a similar group started up in america we would, and have many times, squashed them out. its just the way the world is. people in the past have modified their bible and i think its time for them to update the koran.

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Our troops can't be killed if they aren't there. Propaganda has a much better chance of being effective than bombs. We've spent trillions of dollars and lost thousands of lives and the only thing that has changed is the cancer has spread. We can't contain it now. People that look like all of us are signing up to fight us. This just isn't a war that can be won with a bomb IMO. What is your solution?

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propoganda would only strengthen isis because you cant hide anything anymore. people would know its bs. if you dont want to 'go over there' the best you can hope is they ruin their own credibility... which im sure thats what the government thought would happen. the fact that isis has done the things theyve done and the muslim community doesnt get rid of them is a damning reality.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

So you want to educate while troops are being killed in Afghanistan and people are killed simply for printing a cartoon of Mohammed? Radical Islamist terrorist groups don't believe in negotiation or peace...their demands are simple: conform to Islam or be killed. Even Muslims are killed simply for refusing to go along with terrorist demands so their philosophy is hypocritical.

I acknowledge innocent people have died during our operations but what happened on 9/11 did not involve taking out military targets (save the Pentagon). The "torture" we were accused of are child's play compared to what terrorists do to their prisoners, but since the media chooses not to report that then we are portrayed as the evil Americans. The silent majority of Islam needs to speak up and turn in people who preach terrorism in the name of a religion; not every single Muslim takes the Quran to heart and actually believe in freedom to express your religious and political beliefs in a legal matter.[/quote]

Our troops can't be killed if they aren't there. Propaganda has a much better chance of being effective than bombs. We've spent trillions of dollars and lost thousands of lives and the only thing that has changed is the cancer has spread. We can't contain it now. People that look like all of us are signing up to fight us. This just isn't a war that can be won with a bomb IMO. What is your solution?[/quote]


There is only one of two ways it can go Islam fixes itself.. unless they do a major edit of the books it will not happen, taking over and the convert or die is just too much a part of the system.
The other is genocide. It is unfortunately come to this a life or death struggle,the only other middle ground is a quarantine. all Muslims must go reside in Muslim lands,not allowed out. We don't need the oil China and Europe does let them deal with the crazy ass fucks. If you look at the demographics there really was not a huge Mideast/Islamic population here in the USA until around 1920.
Nas how do you say we win the hearts and minds?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

You're not going to kill billions of people and that still wouldn't kill an idea. Americans are joining them in the fight against the West. People from all over the world have been sold on the same idea.

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So what do you propose?[/quote]

You have to change the hearts and minds of the next generation. We provide all the ammunition they need for their propaganda machine. That kid that was 4 years old in 2001 was taught and shown his entire life that America and the rest of the West hates Muslims. He is now an adult and he has seen enough evidence to believe it's true. Violence hasn't changed anything but create another group of people that hate us. Unless endless war is the goal we need a new strategy. An idea just can't be defeated with a bomb. As long as we are bombing that idea will continue to spread across the globe like a cancer.[/quote]

So you want to educate while troops are being killed in Afghanistan and people are killed simply for printing a cartoon of Mohammed? Radical Islamist terrorist groups don't believe in negotiation or peace...their demands are simple: conform to Islam or be killed. Even Muslims are killed simply for refusing to go along with terrorist demands so their philosophy is hypocritical.

I acknowledge innocent people have died during our operations but what happened on 9/11 did not involve taking out military targets (save the Pentagon). The "torture" we were accused of are child's play compared to what terrorists do to their prisoners, but since the media chooses not to report that then we are portrayed as the evil Americans. The silent majority of Islam needs to speak up and turn in people who preach terrorism in the name of a religion; not every single Muslim takes the Quran to heart and actually believe in freedom to express your religious and political beliefs in a legal matter.[/quote]

Our troops can't be killed if they aren't there. Propaganda has a much better chance of being effective than bombs. We've spent trillions of dollars and lost thousands of lives and the only thing that has changed is the cancer has spread. We can't contain it now. People that look like all of us are signing up to fight us. This just isn't a war that can be won with a bomb IMO. What is your solution?[/quote]


It was never contained; Afghanistan was an Al-Qaeda training ground as well as Yemen. Iran shares the same beliefs and lends financial support to terrorist organizations. With the increase of technology has led to these groups being able to get their bullshit out to impressionable young minds through the internet who think joining up with these terrorists is "the cool thing to do" because it is anti-society and anti-American.

What do we do? Pressure nations that fund terrorism (Saudi Arabia, etc.) and threaten them that economic sanctions will occur if they continue their practices. Support the moderate parties of Iran that are pro-Western and do not believe in the annihilation of Israel. Reintroduce our interrogation methods- they foiled many terrorists plots. Stop being afraid of being labeled bigots or stereotyping and pursue evidence that shows terrorist groups in our country. Radical Islamists should be treated just as seriously as white extremists and anti-government groups are. Identify these individuals as being radical Islamists and encourage peaceful Muslim leaders to denounce any form of violence in the name of Allah. Continue our military operations in Afganistan and Iraq; if they want to kill Americans, we will kill them first.

When we first started our war on terrorism after the events of 9/11, terrorists were on the run and were quiet for quite a while. With the withdraw of troops and the government's refusal to continue to use the phrase "War on terrorism", it emboldened groups and gave them an opportunity to rebuild their organizations and create new terrorist plots.

Will we ever eliminate Muslim extremists? No, we won't because it has always been present in the world but we can reduce it to a point will their power is weakened and they don't have the structure or the finances to keep these attacks going.


Nas, the simple fact that me and you have the freedom to discuss this subject, despite differing viewpoints, is a testament to the freedoms we enjoy and ones that these assholes seek to eliminate.

Sorry to go all Sini in my post, but this is a subject I have personal experience with and very strong feelings about this.

Nas, the simple fact that me and you have the freedom to discuss this subject, despite differing viewpoints, is a testament to the freedoms we enjoy and ones that these assholes seek to eliminate.

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More domestic terrorism.

Colorado Springs NAACP bombing: Sketch released of person of interest

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27290 ... ted-friday

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I don't buy that. Our bombing helps their recruiting. Reality is our bombing hasn't changed anything. When we had a little success in Iraq it was because we were paying people.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Once again what do you do besides a brutal hammering down on them. Police state type shit or build a wall around them per say and quarantine them. When your belief system is convert or die your options are kind of limited.

I am going to tell a little bit of a history lesson. Back in the late 1700 early 1800 the Brits had problem in India with a death cult. Called the Thuggies,they where fanatical worshipers of Kali. If you say Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom it touches on it.
They believed the only way to worship their goddess was to randomly kill people especially White people. It got bad,so bad the Brits went medieval on the cult. Hunted them down till they where gone,period. scoured the cities and jungles. Found the temples. No quarter was given,every single member of the cult was put to the sword. End of story,Thuggies are not that big a problem anymore.
So Nas your notion that you can not exterminate a belief with stuff like violence is wrong. It has been done in the past. I can run down a long long list. The problem is it is hard and messy

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It looks like an artist's sketch after someone claims they saw an alien.

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