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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
It's simple. Pace should report directly to George.

It's a family business. Everybody has a boss but his boss should be the family, not Ted.


That's the point. Ted is considered family. He is a McCaskey without the actual name.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
It's simple. Pace should report directly to George.

It's a family business. Everybody has a boss but his boss should be the family, not Ted.


That's the point. Ted is considered family. He is a McCaskey without the actual name.


...and a HUGE ego.


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Today has been a pleasure to listen to B&B. Bernstein squirming over his defense of the Bears while being attacked by Batacola using his own Bernsteinisms against him.

How is the Pace hire defensible, Dan, when the guy has no GM experience, has never hired a coach, let alone a HC, nor has ever drafted anyone? Yet, this is exactly what is being asked of him. And Dan and everyone else said that Trestman was in way over his head. What about Ryan?

This is perfect. After the Bears hired Emery, who had no previous GM experience, who hired Trestman with no head coaching experience in the NFL, who together drafted Kyle Long, who had no football experience, they now hire Ryan, another guy with no experience to do the job.

Are you EFFING KIDDING ME??????????????


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What Dan is describing, if true, is a failure of the McCaskey family which is the point every caller is trying to make but either not doing well or they aren't understanding.

If you want to "give someone power", you don't do it by "an understanding" that the person that has actual power over you isn't going to use it. You actually give the person the power that you are promising that they have as long as the person with the real power doesn't use it.

They are promising that Pace answers only to George even though he truly answers to Ted. Ted has just agreed not to use his power. It's screwed up.

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What Dan is describing, if true, is a failure of the McCaskey family which is the point every caller is trying to make but either not doing well or they aren't understanding.

If you want to "give someone power", you don't do it by "an understanding" that the person that has actual power over you isn't going to use it. You actually give the person the power that you are promising that they have as long as the person with the real power doesn't use it.

They are promising that Pace answers only to George even though he truly answers to Ted. Ted has just agreed not to use his power. It's screwed up.


I just turned this on. I can't miss anymore of this.

Now if you are a Bears fan, you should be happy today. Stop worrying about who's over who.

"Ted thinks the football side is a pain in the ass." So much so that he will lead the football press conference and have the GM report to him. That's how much it annoys Ted.

Can't wait to hear transition. Rozner will paint a different picture.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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It's simple. Pace should report directly to George.

It's a family business. Everybody has a boss but his boss should be the family, not Ted.


Why would George want that?


Want what? He owns the team.


George pays Ted to be the president and CEO. He doesnt want to deal with the day to day stuff.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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It's simple. Pace should report directly to George.

It's a family business. Everybody has a boss but his boss should be the family, not Ted.


Why would George want that?


Want what? He owns the team.


All your saying Doc is they have an org chart that is quite common in the corporate world but not so much in a family business structure.

So much for not being up to date with things.

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Pace needs one thing from his supervisor: what's the annual budget? I think George could handle that.

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It was a bad day for Danny. He sounded like an idiot to all but his ALSers. My favorite part was how he yelled at caller after caller - "what is so hard to understand? HE.HAS.COMPLETE.CONTROL.OF. FOOTBALL.OPERATIONS.". Then 2 minutes later, after Drinky challenged him Danny says, "it's complicated". Which is it Danny? Easy to understand or complicated?

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Listening to the podcast...now Dan is reporting Sweaty Teddy never concerns himself with football operations when just a while ago he wanted Teddy out of football decisions? Get your story straight Bernsie and realize the meatball callers don't represent the majority of your audience who are smart enough to remember your statements.

He loved Emery's use of stats.
He loved the Adam Dunn signing.

Danny....

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Seacrest wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
It's simple. Pace should report directly to George.

It's a family business. Everybody has a boss but his boss should be the family, not Ted.


Why would George want that?


Want what? He owns the team.


All your saying Doc is they have an org chart that is quite common in the corporate world but not so much in a family business structure.

So much for not being up to date with things.


OK. I may be a bit jaded here.

I once walked into this nearly exact situation. I was hired in as a young executive to take over a role vacated by someone that was still in the organization who was promoted upstairs. The problem was that that person kept their old title.

I was assured that I had the complete power of the position and they were true to their word. I had that power but I didn't have the title.

In every important negotiation, ultimately the question would come up "Do you need to talk to Mr. X?" or "Should I call Mr. X first?" before deals got done. On occasion, they would bypass me completely can call that person directly.

Finally, I was forced to go to management and say, "Look, we all understand what powers I've been given here but until I have the title, it isn't real to anyone else" and they agreed and setup things on paper the way they were in fact.

I feel for Pace stepping into a situation where he's been given phantom authority.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I feel for Pace stepping into a situation where he's been given phantom authority.


He took the job. Ballard wouldn't take it under those circumstances.

I don't think he has the power. If he wants to cut Cutler, no way I think he can do that unilaterally. If he wants to hire Rex Ryan, no way I think he can make that call on his own.

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George uses Teddy as a shield. Teddy is happy to be that shield cuz George pays him 5 million a year. You'd like George not to be scared, but he is. Maybe one day he won't be. Once he figures this out since he's only been doing it for 3 years. But George figures, for now, if everybody is wang-whipping Teddy, then they're not wang-whipping me. Once again, Teddy is happy to get wang-whipped for 5 million a year. I would be too.


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Here's Moon Mullin's article on how Ballard scared Teddy.

http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-general-manager-hiring-process-leaves-one-red-flag


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Would have been the anti-Bears hire.


Thank you, Moon.

Hiring a guy who wants to completely change the way a failing organization is run is true change.


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George uses Teddy as a shield. Teddy is happy to be that shield cuz George pays him 5 million a year. You'd like George not to be scared, but he is. Maybe one day he won't be. Once he figures this out since he's only been doing it for 3 years. But George figures, for now, if everybody is wang-whipping Teddy, then they're not
wang-whipping me. Once again, Teddy is happy to get wang-whipped for 5 million a year. I would be too.


I don't think Ted is being used as a shield. They're a loyal family. Ted's president has hurt him (George) and the organization.

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George uses Teddy as a shield. Teddy is happy to be that shield cuz George pays him 5 million a year. You'd like George not to be scared, but he is. Maybe one day he won't be. Once he figures this out since he's only been doing it for 3 years. But George figures, for now, if everybody is wang-whipping Teddy, then they're not
wang-whipping me. Once again, Teddy is happy to get wang-whipped for 5 million a year. I would be too.


I don't think Ted is being used as a shield. They're a loyal family. Ted's president has hurt him (George) and the organization.


They're loyal cuz they don't fire him. 30 years he's been with the Bears. Half the time as President. There's the loyalty. His punishment, though, for his mistakes is to be the front man that gets kicked in the nuts by smart media and fans. Pretty much everybody but Bernstein.


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In fact, think about that, 30 years as a Bears executive. Can you think of any pro team that has kept an executive for such a long time? With such little success. That's amazing. That is loyalty.


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Seacrest wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
It's simple. Pace should report directly to George.

It's a family business. Everybody has a boss but his boss should be the family, not Ted.


Why would George want that?


Want what? He owns the team.


All your saying Doc is they have an org chart that is quite common in the corporate world but not so much in a family business structure.

So much for not being up to date with things.


Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
OK. I may be a bit jaded here.

I once walked into this nearly exact situation. I was hired in as a young executive to take over a role vacated by someone that was still in the organization who was promoted upstairs. The problem was that that person kept their old title.

I was assured that I had the complete power of the position and they were true to their word. I had that power but I didn't have the title.

In every important negotiation, ultimately the question would come up "Do you need to talk to Mr. X?" or "Should I call Mr. X first?" before deals got done. On occasion, they would bypass me completely can call that person directly.

Finally, I was forced to go to management and say, "Look, we all understand what powers I've been given here but until I have the title, it isn't real to anyone else" and they agreed and setup things on paper the way they were in fact.

I feel for Pace stepping into a situation where he's been given phantom authority.


I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
I don't think for one second that Ted Phillips will be telling Pace who to hire and who to draft.
I think it's fair to ask where are the former employees claiming that this was the case? I don't think that there are any on record claiming this was the case.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
What was the case?


Where Angelo, Emery, Hatley or Wanny claimed that they were forced to make football and personnel decisions based upon what Ted agreed with.

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What was the case?


Where Angelo, Emery, Hatley or Wanny claimed that they were forced to make football and personnel decisions based upon what Ted agreed with.


That wasn't my point.

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I don't think for one second that Ted Phillips will be telling Pace who to hire and who to draft.


I don't think he's going to tell him who to draft.

I don't think he'll have to tell him who to hire because Pace will ask if his hire is okay first. That's the real understanding. That's why he has the job. Ballard made it perfectly clear he wouldn't work under those conditions and so he wasn't offered the job.

And I think when it's a high dollar deal he's going to have to clear it with Phillips. For example, they're going to eat a bunch of money if they dump Cutler. I believe that within the Bear offices, that's not considered a "football move" but rather a financial move that falls under the auspices of Phillips. The problem with that is it makes Phillips a co-GM. And that's exactly what the callers who are getting dan so exasperated are saying.

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Would have been the anti-Bears hire.


Thank you, Moon.

Hiring a guy who wants to completely change the way a failing organization is run is true change.


“Chris may have scared them a little bit,” former Bears college scouting director Greg Gabriel told "The Boers and Bernstein Show" on 670 The Score.

If he wasn’t going to have things exactly the way he wanted them, he's not going to put himself in a situation where he’s going to fail. He doesn’t want to go into a situation and be like Phil Emery and two years later be fired.”

Laugh out fucking loud.

First of all, Phil had three years Greg.

The Bears let Phil run the show and he fucked it up badly. No one here believes for a fucking second that Ted said to hire tresty or told him to miss on 75% of his draft picks.

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I don't think for one second that Ted Phillips will be telling Pace who to hire and who to draft.


I don't think he's going to tell him who to draft.

I don't think he'll have to tell him who to hire because Pace will ask if his hire is okay first. That's the real understanding. That's why he has the job. Ballard made it perfectly clear he wouldn't work under those conditions and so he wasn't offered the job.

And I think when it's a high dollar deal he's going to have to clear it with Phillips. For example, they're going to eat a bunch of money if they dump Cutler. I believe that within the Bear offices, that's not considered a "football move" but rather a financial move that falls under the auspices of Phillips. The problem with that is it makes Phillips a co-GM. And that's exactly what the callers who are getting dan so exasperated are saying.


Perfectly said, JORR.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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What was the case?


Where Angelo, Emery, Hatley or Wanny claimed that they were forced to make football and personnel decisions based upon what Ted agreed with.


That wasn't my point.


Pace got the title and by all accounts he also got football autonomy.

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No one here believes for a fucking second that Ted said to hire tresty


Trestman was cheap. No way I think Emery had the authority to go get a guy like Nick Saban or Bill Cowher or a real high profile coach and pay him whatever it took.

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I don't think for one second that Ted Phillips will be telling Pace who to hire and who to draft.


I don't think he's going to tell him who to draft.

I don't think he'll have to tell him who to hire because Pace will ask if his hire is okay first. That's the real understanding. That's why he has the job. Ballard made it perfectly clear he wouldn't work under those conditions and so he wasn't offered the job.

And I think when it's a high dollar deal he's going to have to clear it with Phillips. For example, they're going to eat a bunch of money if they dump Cutler. I believe that within the Bear offices, that's not considered a "football move" but rather a financial move that falls under the auspices of Phillips. The problem with that is it makes Phillips a co-GM. And that's exactly what the callers who are getting dan so exasperated are saying.


You mean after they ate Emery's and Trestman's money we are still on this bandwagon.

Not to mention the fact that there is NO evidence that Ballard actually tried some sort of power play to begin with.

What we do have is a qualifier from a former co-worker who may have stood to benefit from him getting the job though.

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Would have been the anti-Bears hire.


Thank you, Moon.

Hiring a guy who wants to completely change the way a failing organization is run is true change.


“Chris may have scared them a little bit,” former Bears college scouting director Greg Gabriel told "The Boers and Bernstein Show" on 670 The Score.

If he wasn’t going to have things exactly the way he wanted them, he's not going to put himself in a situation where he’s going to fail. He doesn’t want to go into a situation and be like Phil Emery and two years later be fired.”

Laugh out fucking loud.

First of all, Phil had three years Greg.

The Bears let Phil run the show and he fucked it up badly. No one here believes for a fucking second that Ted said to hire tresty or told him to miss on 75% of his draft picks.


http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-g ... e-red-flag

But what would Moon know? He only has 20 years worth of sources.

"As the announcement of the decision was coming out, one member of the NFL hierarchy told CSNChicago.com that Ballard came into his meeting with chairman George McCaskey and Phillips and “told them how he wanted it all to go,” the source said. “Sometimes when you tell people what they need to hear, it’s too much for them.”

But just keep focusing on Greg Gabriel. He's the real problem with the Bears


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No one here believes for a fucking second that Ted said to hire tresty


Trestman was cheap. No way I think Emery had the authority to go get a guy like Nick Saban or Bill Cowher or a real high profile coach and pay him whatever it took.


Bill Cowher was approached by any number of teams in the last five years.

Nick Saban turned tail and ran away from the NFL. He's not high on anyone's list in the league.

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