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Kris Bryant hit more homers than anyone in the majors last season and was the minor leagues MVP.
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Betting the Cubs to win the WS at 12/1 is throwing your money away. It might be the biggest sucker bet that I have ever seen. There are only six teams (Boston, Detroit, Angels, Dodgers, St. Louis, Washington) with shorter odds.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Kris Bryant hit more homers than anyone in the majors last season and was the minor leagues MVP.
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In the PCL, which is a hitters league.

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Well, it's hard to project a guy with a ton of major league experience for Rookie of the Year.


I dont think projecting a rookie award for a highly touted prospect is that crazy. Every list of guesses on rookie of the year will include players with little to no experience.


At least a guy like Soler has shown he can hit in the big leagues. Steve doesn't know shit about Bryant except what he's read. And that's most people. They just like to talk shit. I have no idea who ROY might be and neither do you and Steve certainly doesn't. Did anyone predict Chris Coghlan as ROY? And he's not just saying he'll be ROY, he's projecting outlandish numbers as if the guy will suddenly be better than Puig and Goldschmidt. I think about six or seven guys hit better than .300 in the NL last year, but Kris Bryant is just going to come up and do that and then get better from there. It's absurd, really.

I dont read Steve's posts. My response was about projecting ROY. The numbers are pretty crazy but again, that's Steve. Let me know when Rogue, Peoria Matt, Kirkwood and the others make those projections.


FWIW Bryant is my early pick for NL ROY

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Great. Mine is for a Cardinal nobody has ever heard of.

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I kinda think it's bad form to pick a guy on your own team... too myopic, or something like that

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Betting the Cubs to win the WS at 12/1 is throwing your money away. It might be the biggest sucker bet that I have ever seen. There are only six teams (Boston, Detroit, Angels, Dodgers, St. Louis, Washington) with shorter odds.


The Tigers seem like a bad bet right now as well.

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Good article about the Cubs chances and the fact that over the last 3 seasons,the Cubs did have good to dominant starting pitching but no hitting. They might have better hitting going in to this year,just not sure if it's enough.

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/another- ... ement-cubs

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Betting the Cubs to win the WS at 12/1 is throwing your money away. It might be the biggest sucker bet that I have ever seen. There are only six teams (Boston, Detroit, Angels, Dodgers, St. Louis, Washington) with shorter odds.


The Tigers seem like a bad bet right now as well.


I wouldn't bet on them with your money. I was just listing the teams with shorter odds. The team with the 7th highest win total last year, was the Royals, with 89. If the Cubs' season win over/under is in the upper 80's, I will be hammering the under.

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Also an avid TSN reader in the 70's/80's.

Shocked they are still in business and agree they picked the Cubs solely to sell magazines.

As for Bryant being a .300 hitter, doubtful. As long as he bashes and hits in the clutch, .260/.340 OBP is fine for me.

Cubs should win 85 or so games and if they get in the dance, anyone can win, so there's that...


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Cubs World Series 2015 and /or 2016 bandwagon is getting full.
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Even Giordano's goes all in for the Cubs Convention this weekend...

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/giordano ... dish-pizza

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Theo just traded that for two Domino's pineapple/bacon pizzas.

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Theo just traded that for two Domino's pineapple/bacon pizzas.



And even though they aren't cooked yet Elmhurst Steve just nominated them for three Michelin Stars.

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Theo just traded that for two Domino's pineapple/bacon pizzas.



And even though they aren't cooked yet Elmhurst Steve just nominated them for three Michelin Stars.


Thank goodness the Michelin Man is white ... which now that I type that, that makes no sense ... tires aren't white ... I guess nobody was going to buy tires in the 50s from a big black guy though, cartoon mascot or not ... plus he'd have a bigger valve stem, which would've just given Gladys the Housewife inappropriate ideas ......

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
For whatever it's worth, Sporting News has picked the Cubs to win the World Series in 2015. Seems a bit premature to me, but it's an early indication that some feel the team will be ready to compete for a playoff spot sooner, rather than later. I think 2016 is more likely. But it's been a while since I was as anxious for spring training as I am today.


While I understand the interest in the Cubs and the expectation that they will be a better club, most of their younger hitters are no in the majors yet, and all of them have to prove they are capable of being impact hitters. The pitching staff has been good under Bosio, and I assume we will see that trend continue with Lester no onboard, but I don't see the Cubs being more than a .500 type club.


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Even Giordano's goes all in for the Cubs Convention this weekend...

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Perfect...they can bring in founder John Apostolou to explain why the Cubs shouldn't have to pay taxes. :wink:

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Well, it's hard to project a guy with a ton of major league experience for Rookie of the Year.


I dont think projecting a rookie award for a highly touted prospect is that crazy. Every list of guesses on rookie of the year will include players with little to no experience.


At least a guy like Soler has shown he can hit in the big leagues. Steve doesn't know shit about Bryant except what he's read. And that's most people. They just like to talk shit. I have no idea who ROY might be and neither do you and Steve certainly doesn't. Did anyone predict Chris Coghlan as ROY? And he's not just saying he'll be ROY, he's projecting outlandish numbers as if the guy will suddenly be better than Puig and Goldschmidt. I think about six or seven guys hit better than .300 in the NL last year, but Kris Bryant is just going to come up and do that and then get better from there. It's absurd, really.


I know a lot about Bryant and how much scouts see him as one of the best prospects in the past decade. I know how well he has hit at every level he's been at and how disciplined a hitter he is. I made a bold prediction because I believe in it. Saying he would hit .280 with 20-25 homers and over 80 RBI would be a safer pick. But I think .300, 30 and 100 will be ECLIPSED. The batting average is probably the riskiest prediction, but if it winds up being .290 and the power numbers are great, so be it. The guy is going to make the lineup considerably better as soon as he is brought up. If he begins the season with the club, of course it makes those numbers a lot easier to attain. If they make him wait till May, he'll still do it.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Well, it's hard to project a guy with a ton of major league experience for Rookie of the Year.


I dont think projecting a rookie award for a highly touted prospect is that crazy. Every list of guesses on rookie of the year will include players with little to no experience.


At least a guy like Soler has shown he can hit in the big leagues. Steve doesn't know shit about Bryant except what he's read. And that's most people. They just like to talk shit. I have no idea who ROY might be and neither do you and Steve certainly doesn't. Did anyone predict Chris Coghlan as ROY? And he's not just saying he'll be ROY, he's projecting outlandish numbers as if the guy will suddenly be better than Puig and Goldschmidt. I think about six or seven guys hit better than .300 in the NL last year, but Kris Bryant is just going to come up and do that and then get better from there. It's absurd, really.


I know a lot about Bryant and how much scouts see him as one of the best prospects in the past decade. I know how well he has hit at every level he's been at and how disciplined a hitter he is. I made a bold prediction because I believe in it. Saying he would hit .280 with 20-25 homers and over 80 RBI would be a safer pick. But I think .300, 30 and 100 will be ECLIPSED. The batting average is probably the riskiest prediction, but if it winds up being .290 and the power numbers are great, so be it. The guy is going to make the lineup considerably better as soon as he is brought up. If he begins the season with the club, of course it makes those numbers a lot easier to attain. If they make him wait till May, he'll still do it.



You know how to read the Internet. Congratulations, Steve!

He isn't going to hit .290 either.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Well, it's hard to project a guy with a ton of major league experience for Rookie of the Year.


I dont think projecting a rookie award for a highly touted prospect is that crazy. Every list of guesses on rookie of the year will include players with little to no experience.


At least a guy like Soler has shown he can hit in the big leagues. Steve doesn't know shit about Bryant except what he's read. And that's most people. They just like to talk shit. I have no idea who ROY might be and neither do you and Steve certainly doesn't. Did anyone predict Chris Coghlan as ROY? And he's not just saying he'll be ROY, he's projecting outlandish numbers as if the guy will suddenly be better than Puig and Goldschmidt. I think about six or seven guys hit better than .300 in the NL last year, but Kris Bryant is just going to come up and do that and then get better from there. It's absurd, really.


I know a lot about Bryant and how much scouts see him as one of the best prospects in the past decade. I know how well he has hit at every level he's been at and how disciplined a hitter he is. I made a bold prediction because I believe in it. Saying he would hit .280 with 20-25 homers and over 80 RBI would be a safer pick. But I think .300, 30 and 100 will be ECLIPSED. The batting average is probably the riskiest prediction, but if it winds up being .290 and the power numbers are great, so be it. The guy is going to make the lineup considerably better as soon as he is brought up. If he begins the season with the club, of course it makes those numbers a lot easier to attain. If they make him wait till May, he'll still do it.



You know how to read the Internet. Congratulations, Steve!

He isn't going to hit .290 either.


The Cubs will be embarking on a period of sustained success that will include Championships in the near future, with guys including Bryant leading the way. You might as well get used to the idea. I know it is going to cause you great discomfort. Perhaps it will all be too much for you and you will quit posting here, as your negative posts about the Cubs and their productive farm system that allows for that sustained success, look more and more sad and foolish. Accept it now and it may be less painful in the future.

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The Cubs will be embarking on a period of sustained success that will include Championships in the near future, with guys including Bryant leading the way. You might as well get used to the idea. I know it is going to cause you great discomfort. Perhaps it will all be too much for you and you will quit posting here, as your negative posts about the Cubs and their productive farm system that allows for that sustained success, look more and more sad and foolish. Accept it now and it may be less painful in the future.



No. You're old enough to have heard such bullshit countless times. Do you know the definition of insanity? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The Cubs will be embarking on a period of sustained success that will include Championships in the near future, with guys including Bryant leading the way. You might as well get used to the idea. I know it is going to cause you great discomfort. Perhaps it will all be too much for you and you will quit posting here, as your negative posts about the Cubs and their productive farm system that allows for that sustained success, look more and more sad and foolish. Accept it now and it may be less painful in the future.



No. You're old enough to have heard such bullshit countless times. Do you know the definition of insanity?


If they were using the same model to create this team as has been used by previous management teams, that might make sense. But rather than building the team through only trades and free agency, this team will have been built with young players that were drafted and developed by the team. Sure, guys like Soler, Hamels and Lester among others are added through free agency and guys like Addison Russell were traded for. But significant pieces will have been home-grown. This is something not seen from Chicago Baseball since the Dallas Green era....which was cut too short. It's gonna be fun!

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The Cubs are at best 3 years away from even sniffing a wild card. It took the Royals, who had more talent in their farm system, 4 years to even sneak into the wild card.

Which would be fine except people like Elmhurst Steve belive the TIME IS NOW and the window is just peeping open. It's not. And him and the many, many Cubs fans lilike him will start jumping ship after the Cubs fail this year followed by a mass exodus after the 2016 season. It may take another year for Ricketts to fire Theo, another season after everyone gives up probably, but his empty corporate monument needs to be making money.


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Don Tiny wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
Theo just traded that for two Domino's pineapple/bacon pizzas.



And even though they aren't cooked yet Elmhurst Steve just nominated them for three Michelin Stars.


Thank goodness the Michelin Man is white ... which now that I type that, that makes no sense ... tires aren't white ... I guess nobody was going to buy tires in the 50s from a big black guy though, cartoon mascot or not ... plus he'd have a bigger valve stem, which would've just given Gladys the Housewife inappropriate ideas ......



fun fact:

From 1912, tires took on a black appearance because carbon was added as a preservative and strengthener to the base rubber material. Before then, they were a gray-white or light, translucent beige colour. Bibendum's appearance also changed. Though briefly featured in several print ads, Michelin quickly changed back his appearance, citing printing and aesthetic issues for the change, and not racial concerns as commonly believed.[3]

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The Cubs are at best 3 years away from even sniffing a wild card. It took the Royals, who had more talent in their farm system, 4 years to even sneak into the wild card.

Which would be fine except people like Elmhurst Steve belive the TIME IS NOW and the window is just peeping open. It's not. And him and the many, many Cubs fans lilike him will start jumping ship after the Cubs fail this year followed by a mass exodus after the 2016 season. It may take another year for Ricketts to fire Theo, another season after everyone gives up probably, but his empty corporate monument needs to be making money.


Elmhurst Steve doesn't jump ship. I said in the initial post of this thread, that Sporting News has predicted the Cubs will win the 2015 World Series. I did not. I expect they will be above .500 in 2015 and compete for a wild card at least. But I expect Bryant and Addison Russell to be stars and major building blocks that help the team to Championships in the near future, as in 2016. But make no mistake, I will not be jumping ship. I like and believe in the plan.

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I had forgotten they snagged that La Stella guy from the Braves. Valbuena and him will make a pretty nice infield bench.


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I had forgotten they snagged that La Stella guy from the Braves. Valbuena and him will make a pretty nice infield bench.


Pretty sure La Stella is your starter at second. But what would I know? I'm just a dumb Sox fan.

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