Yes it is. However it's almost always less than $7M. Other "guaranteed" money makes up the bulk of the contract. Roster bonuses are the most popular "guarantees" in NFL contracts.

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Yes. The Bulls didn't have to pay $40M to a player that was physically and mentally unable to play.

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From everything I read, the reported guaranteed money is actually guaranteed. Only roster bonuses that are virtually assured are also counted.

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They paid him $24.5M for 2 years and will wipe the remaining $40M off their books. The $10M is just a cap hit.

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I'll look up some examples when I get home but I am positive about this. In fact the Raiders and others have released players after a year even though their contracts had $30M+ in guarantees. The announced guarantees are for ego purposes. The devil is in the details.

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Yes. Andrew Brandt and Mike FLorio have both covered this. The guarantees reported are typically bullshit used to prop up agents. They include roster and workouts bonuses that are not always met due to players getting cut. Most NFL contracts are really two year deals with a bunch of club options.

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You guys aren't really getting the point here. It's not about agents lying. They still have an amount of guaranteed contracts. A roster bonus three years down the line is not guaranteed money. The teams and players know this.

If NFL contracts were guaranteed, the money would still be roughly the same. Why would it change? If NBA contracts weren't guaranteed are they suddenly signing Amare for $15 million guaranteed?

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When they send out press releases they ARE including the roster bonuses and workout bonuses as guarantees. When Peyton was cut by the Colts they did it before $25M+ of his contract became guaranteed. If NBA contracts weren't guaranteed Amare would have been cut 2 years ago and would be lucky to make $5M a season. Instead he's going to pocket about $65M over that time. You can sign a $60M deal in the NFL and get cut after playing 1 year and making $10M. That is a huge difference.

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It does not matter though.

If there were guaranteed contracts in the NFL you'd just have everyone on 2 year deals or longer term deals with cheap years tacked on to the end. The math just doesn't change. No one is giving Jay Cutler a 7 year deal like that if they are locked into paying it all.

NFL players are almost always going to be paid lower than NBA players simply because of how big the rosters are.

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I get your point but a $60M contract in the NFL can be torn up after 1 season and the player may not receive 20% of that money. NBA players don't have to worry about that.

Edit: If I were an NFL player I would prefer 1 or 2 year guaranteed deals instead of the current system.

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I think most NBA teams operate under the belief that the player will still be an NBA player for the whole time period. Even an injury like George had will likely cost him a year and then he bounces back to something. A running back or WR may never recover from something like that.

If Rose had two season ending injuries like that he probably never plays again.

I think a guaranteed contract would really help players like Brees and Brady who teams would be falling over themselves to get. The rest of the league though may see some really short contracts instead. I'm not giving anyone else a contract for more than 3 years and the third year better be cheap.

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Contracts are already like that. Even if they say they are 5,6,7 year deals.

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Exactly. That is my point.

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This was supposed to be the Summer of George!

The Summmer of George.

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How many more players can Rose get injured?

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Many. Very many. Ask Bernstien.

And you think my basketball thoughts are bad?

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Just for clarification the 23 yr old in question is Lance Stephenson.

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Is the rebuild with Lance (star potential) Stephenson still the way to go. I wonder why there is very little discussion on this matter. Whenever it comes up there is a lot of silence on the part of board hieararchy. Maybe its simply easier to continue dissing a multiple time all-star and future hall of famer. There was a lot of love for this guy and now there is mere silence whenever his name is mentioned. I guess my bringing up the fact that you believed this guy could be a star is an example of classic revisionism. Stephenson is a bit of a forgotten man these days. He is one of the worst signings of the summer and he was presented by you as a guy that the Bulls simply had to have.

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You're doing a great job all by yourself.

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