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For me, I’m not sure MLB needs more run scoring. When we talk about the level of pitcher dominance in the game today, I think we’re mostly talking about the ever-increasing strikeout rate. The current lack of contact in MLB is absolutely something I think we should be concerned about, as the type of game we have today is dramatically different than the one that has been seen previously. Here’s what the percentage of walks, strikeouts, and hit by pitches looks like historically.

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This is a clear trend, and one that is showing no signs of slowing down. This is the issue that I think MLB should be most aggressively trying to counteract. We’re reaching the point where one in every three plate appearances ends without any movement from the defenders. This is where I’d suggest there is evidence for intervention, and a strong case can be made for not just waiting for things to correct themselves.

But this is all maybe easier said than done, especially if we’re not really trying to infuse a lot of offense back into the game.

Banning Javier Baez from baseball would be a start.


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If you can't appreciate a well crafted strikeout or a grindy walk you don't like baseball. Too bad you'll most likely see pathetic attempts at contact and guys just taking pitches for the hell of it.


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If you can't appreciate a well crafted strikeout or a grindy walk you don't like baseball.


It sounds like there is a market for a WWE created professional baseball league.

But don't fuck with my MLB.

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I came here expecting a good RPB-Brick dustup or a Joe Orr rant, but all i find is it's another bash Javier Baez thread.

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I came here expecting a good RPB-Brick dustup or a Joe Orr rant, but all i find is it's another bash Javier Baez thread.

:lol:

I don't know what else could solve the issue other than banning windmills like Baez.

Smaller strikezone? More walks
Larger strikezone? More strikeouts.

Not allowed to throw over 95mph? I dunno.


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I'm not going to rant about it, but bernstein had it all wrong the other day with his proffer that the strike zone is "too large". That isn't what's causing the strikeouts. It's guys going up looking to walk. They're taking the best pitches to hit (that usually occur early in the count).

Ironically, bernstein cited his joy in watching Jackie Robinson West play in games where the actual strike zone (letters to knees) was being called (while at the same time demanding a smaller zone for MLB).

Michael Young made an interesting comment about how the way people view the game has changed. He said when he first began playing he felt ashamed to strike out. By the time he quit, He was no longer ashamed to strike out, but rather found shame in grounding out on the first pitch.

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Michael Young made an interesting comment about how the way people view the game has changed. He said when he first began playing he felt ashamed to strike out. By the time he quit, He was no longer ashamed to strike out, but rather found shame in grounding out on the first pitch.

The situation would dictate which was a 'better' out.

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limit the # of pitchers on a roster.

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Michael Young made an interesting comment about how the way people view the game has changed. He said when he first began playing he felt ashamed to strike out. By the time he quit, He was no longer ashamed to strike out, but rather found shame in grounding out on the first pitch.

The situation would dictate which was a 'better' out.



A swing of the bat doesn't exist in a vaccuum. It's philosophy we're discussing here. Is it smart baseball to take picthes early in the count as a philosophy? Many Really Smart Guys seem to think so even as they lament the whopping amount of strikeouts, that, incidentally (or not), aren't necessarily being offset by a higher walk rate.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's philosophy we're discussing here. Is it smart baseball to take picthes early in the count as a philosophy?

It is situational.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
A swing of the bat doesn't exist in a vaccuum. It's philosophy we're discussing here. Is it smart baseball to take picthes early in the count as a philosophy? Many Really Smart Guys seem to think so even as they lament the whopping amount of strikeouts, that, incidentally (or not), aren't necessarily being offset by a higher walk rate.

Excluding White Sox, getting to the bullpen pitchers doesn't seem to be the advantage it once was.

I say just hit the pitch you like.


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The problem with baseball is the insane amount of time where nothing happens with very few payoffs. Strikeouts and walks are cool but there is just so little in between the actual pitches.

Pitch clock and not allowing a batter to step out of the batters box would make things much better.

Then again, baseball is probably just a flawed sport in regards to "excitement". It just isn't designed to be exciting, but they can hopefully not make it seem so slow.

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It's philosophy we're discussing here. Is it smart baseball to take picthes early in the count as a philosophy?

It is situational.


But all situations are included in the overall numbers. You're missing the point. Is taking the best pitch in an at-bat in the interest of running up the count a good offensive strategy? I don't know the answer. But I know it does make for a boring baseball game.

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The problem with baseball is the insane amount of time where nothing happens with very few payoffs. Strikeouts and walks are cool but there is just so little in between the actual pitches.

Pitch clock and not allowing a batter to step out of the batters box would make things much better.

Then again, baseball is probably just a flawed sport in regards to "excitement". It just isn't designed to be exciting, but they can hopefully not make it seem so slow.



You just hate baseball. There is far more "down time" in football, but little brains are occupied by some fat guy drawing all over the screen.

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You just hate baseball. There is far more "down time" in football, but little brains are occupied by some fat guy drawing all over the screen.
You know that what happens between plays in a football game is much different than the 21 seconds it takes between pitches in MLB. So does MLB.

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Is taking the best pitch in an at-bat in the interest of running up the count a good offensive strategy?

If you think that is the best chance to score a run or runs in an inning, then yes, it is a good offensive strategy.

If you're taking a pitch just to take a pitch, it might not be a good offensive strategy.

OBP is the name of the game.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You just hate baseball. There is far more "down time" in football, but little brains are occupied by some fat guy drawing all over the screen.
You know that what happens between plays in a football game is much different than the 21 seconds it takes between pitches in MLB. So does MLB.


:lol: What's that, a bunch of guys grabbing each other's asses and grunting? Fascinating.

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:lol: What's that, a bunch of guys grabbing each other's asses and grunting? Fascinating.
I'd say calling a play, getting in formation, potentially changing the play, and make other adjustments at the line is a little different than a guy stepping back and taking time to recover from swinging at a pitch.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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You just hate baseball. There is far more "down time" in football, but little brains are occupied by some fat guy drawing all over the screen.
You know that what happens between plays in a football game is much different than the 21 seconds it takes between pitches in MLB. So does MLB.


:lol: What's that, a bunch of guys grabbing each other's asses and grunting? Fascinating.

To be fair, pretty much the same as baseball. In baseball they just grab their own junk instead of the other person's.


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Is taking the best pitch in an at-bat in the interest of running up the count a good offensive strategy?

If you think that is the best chance to score a run or runs in an inning, then yes, it is a good offensive strategy.

If you're taking a pitch just to take a pitch, it might not be a good offensive strategy.

OBP is the name of the game.



It doesn't seem to be working out that way with strikeouts sky high and walks pretty much where they've always been. I suppose we could blame it on the stikezone being "too big" or too hard for the umpires to see what with these hard throwers all over the place or the recently discovered skill of "pitch framing", but my contention is that you can't hit the ball unless you swing the bat. The fact that the majority of first pitches are thrown for strikes suggests that if you go up there taking in order to work the count, you're usually starting 0-1. Advantage: Pitcher.

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