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I don't know what government might do. There are governments that conduct genocides against their people. But I guess that could never happen "here".
They can do all those things with or without vaccines.

At least vaccines are based on publicly available and peer reviewed science. The government "could" send the army to kill everyone at the Super Bowl too.


I wouldn't be for that either.

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thankfully the government mandated the elimination of bad thoughts. :lol:

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Some are having a hard time separating the Vaccines are good argument from the Vaccines should be mandated arugment
You are saying vaccines may be a way for the government to inject the populations with nefarious reasons!

Pardon us for not understanding that actually means vaccines are good.

Did you miss the first 11 or 36 times I pointed it out? (including 4 times in this thread?)


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Did you miss the first 11 or 36 times I pointed it out? (including 4 times in this thread?)
That is how all of these things go.

Vaccines are good but...
they may cause autism.
they may be used for mind control by the government.
they may have some thing we don't know about in them.
they may not work.
the science is unknown.

If vaccines are good, and you believe the science, everyone who is medically able to have them should be vaccinated to protect themselves and others.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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RPB - you keep referencing a lack of trust in "government", but in this context you are really saying you don't trust scientists and Doctors.



That's not what he's saying at all.

Once the government starts injecting people, who knows what might happen. It's funny to blindly trust the same government that supported human bondage and the idea that women have smaller brains.

We are talking about now...not about an era where those types of thoughts were allowed to exist. (oddly this anti-vaccination theory kind of fits in with that...but I digress). As I noted earlier - the prevalence of a free press and a vocal & trustworthy medical community in conjunction with infinite means of disseminating information prevents this type of widespread conspiracy.

So you think a supposedly free press (many would laugh at that description) and a trustworthy medical industry could stop any type of government overreach with injections?

I think you are underestimating the power our government wields.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Did you miss the first 11 or 36 times I pointed it out? (including 4 times in this thread?)
That is how all of these things go.

Vaccines are good but...
they may cause autism.
they may be used for mind control by the government.
they may have some thing we don't know about in them.
they may not work.
the science is unknown.

If vaccines are good, and you believe the science, everyone who is medically able to have them should be vaccinated to protect themselves and others.

No, that is bullshit Rick. You should take that back.

You KNOW (and if you dont, Im shocked) that Im no where any of that. I am 100% for vaccines and trusting doctors.

Being against making it government mandated is nowhere fucking NEAR the causes Autism/Science is questionable lunacy.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Did you miss the first 11 or 36 times I pointed it out? (including 4 times in this thread?)
That is how all of these things go.

Vaccines are good but...
they may cause autism.
they may be used for mind control by the government.
they may have some thing we don't know about in them.
they may not work.
the science is unknown.

If vaccines are good, and you believe the science, everyone who is medically able to have them should be vaccinated to protect themselves and others.



I believe vaccines against viruses are good. I believe the government sticking needles in my body is bad. Is it really so confusing for you?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Did you miss the first 11 or 36 times I pointed it out? (including 4 times in this thread?)
That is how all of these things go.

Vaccines are good but...
they may cause autism.
they may be used for mind control by the government.
they may have some thing we don't know about in them.
they may not work.
the science is unknown.

If vaccines are good, and you believe the science, everyone who is medically able to have them should be vaccinated to protect themselves and others.

No, that is bullshit Rick. You should take that back.

You KNOW (and if you dont, Im shocked) that Im no where any of that. I am 100% for vaccines and trusting doctors.

Being against making it government mandated is nowhere fucking NEAR the causes Autism/Science is questionable lunacy.
Calm down.

You earlier speculated I'd be first in line for government implanted tracking chips.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
What makes you so sure the government wont ever use this (mandatory injections) for nefarious reasons?
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This kind of hyperbole just dumbs down the conversation.

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No, it doesnt. It's a perfectly valid question. Im sorry that you dont like it. And it's not hyperbole. Pretty condescending thought by you there.
I'll accept condescending because I still believe it's ridiculous (out of respect, I'll avoid the term dumb...despite what I might think).

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RPB - you keep referencing a lack of trust in "government", but in this context you are really saying you don't trust scientists and Doctors. If the government tried to enforce some sort of nefarious mandatory injection, do you suppose the medical community would remain silent? Or the press? That's the beauty of living in a free society. They make these types of conspiracy theories & the like essentially untenable.

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You are way more confident in those checks and balances than I am. I'm not so sure about people standing up against the government in a hypothetical situation like that. Who knows the scope of such a process, it could be as simple as bringing some medical people in on it.

And why do you assume that the doctors would have to know about it? You're making a lot of assumptions here. There could easily be a scenario where doctors were unknowingly used.

I mean, it sounds like you are of the belief that America is government conspiracy proof. Is that what you're saying?


I guess I assume doctors would have to know about it because that's kind of their responsibility. They're generally very smart people who spend a lot of time researching and studying far less critical issues.

As for the 2nd question - I generally think conspiracy theories of any significant magnitude are ridiculous. That's not to say that they don't try to cover-up mis-steps or spin potentially negative stories (& generally fail in that attempt)...just not anything that requires the involvement of more than a handful of people.

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I believe vaccines against viruses are good. I believe the government sticking needles in my body is bad. Is it really so confusing for you?
Yes.

I just look at it as another type of medical treatment. Would it make a difference if it was in a pill form?

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And then later you actually confirmed that you would be open to a chip but whatever. Ill take it back if you think it's unfair


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I believe vaccines against viruses are good. I believe the government sticking needles in my body is bad. Is it really so confusing for you?
Yes.

I just look at it as another type of medical treatment. Would it make a difference if it was in a pill form?



No. I don't want any government mandating medical treatment or prevention for me. What if the government decided that all women should have their breasts removed at age 20 to prevent breast cancer? Are you for that?

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And then later you actually confirmed that you would be open to a chip but whatever. Ill take it back if you think it's unfair
Assuming there was a medical benefit for a chip then of course I would be. Who wouldn't?

It would have to be a really big benefit though.

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No. I don't want any government mandating medical treatment or prevention for me. What if the government decided that all women should have their breasts removed at age 20 to prevent breast cancer? Are you for that?
Another amazing extreme here.

What if the government killed everyone the day they turned 25! Would you support that? :lol:

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No. I don't want any government mandating medical treatment or prevention for me. What if the government decided that all women should have their breasts removed at age 20 to prevent breast cancer? Are you for that?

Did you read about that in The Atlantic today too?

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... on/384955/

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Assuming there was a medical benefit for a chip then of course I would be. Who wouldn't?



You're a very trusting fellow.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Assuming there was a medical benefit for a chip then of course I would be. Who wouldn't?



You're a very trusting fellow.
Why would you not be open to any proven medical advance that could improve or lengthen your life?

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I'll accept condescending because I still believe it's ridiculous (out of respect, I'll avoid the term dumb...despite what I might think).

Well that's not really avoiding it, but whatever. Im fine if you think it's dumb. I think your thoughts here are pretty terrible, too. It's not a big deal, actually




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I guess I assume doctors would have to know about it because that's kind of their responsibility. They're generally very smart people who spend a lot of time researching and studying far less critical issues.

Of course doctorws are smart. Im not thinking doctors will get duped on a medical level. Im saying they might think they're administering one thing but not know what's truly in it. (I mean couldnt the government buy off a supplier, etc?)

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As for the 2nd question - I generally think conspiracy theories of any magnitude are ridiculous. That's not to say that they don't try to cover-up mis-steps or spin potentially negative stories (& generally fail in that attempt)...just not anything that requires the involvement of more than a handful of people.

That's a rational line of thinking that I used to subscribe to. I've seen too many people and institutions abuse power to still believe it.


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Talk about a longevity strategy no man wants to pursue. A recent study published in the journal Current Biology finds that Korean eunuchs — castrated men — lived 14 to 19 years longer than other men, suggesting that male sex hormones play a role in life span.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Assuming there was a medical benefit for a chip then of course I would be. Who wouldn't?



You're a very trusting fellow.
Why would you not be open to any proven medical advance that could improve or lengthen your life?



You're taking the conversation a different way now, and there are all kinds of answers to that question.

But back to the topic at hand, you seem to be willfully ignoring the part about the government.

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Of course doctors are smart.



Except the one Reggie Rose wants his brother to consult.

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And then later you actually confirmed that you would be open to a chip but whatever. Ill take it back if you think it's unfair
Assuming there was a medical benefit for a chip then of course I would be. Who wouldn't?

It would have to be a really big benefit though.

People who dont want the government to be able to track their every move or have remote control over your body?


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Talk about a longevity strategy no man wants to pursue. A recent study published in the journal Current Biology finds that Korean eunuchs — castrated men — lived 14 to 19 years longer than other men, suggesting that male sex hormones play a role in life span.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You're taking the conversation a different way now, and there are all kinds of answers to that question.
The question was if I would be open to a chip implant.
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
But back to the topic at hand, you seem to be willfully ignoring the part about the government.
What about it? rpb asked if I would be open to have a chip implant. I certainly would if it had a much higher medical benefit.

If you are asking if I want government mandated chip implants, then it better be incredibly well tested, open, and highly effective for something more than preventing diseases we can already prevent. Those days are a long way off.

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People who dont want the government to be able to track their every move or have remote control over your body?
:lol:

That thought may be worse than the CHEMTRAILS people.

Did you attend some sort of weird conspiracy camp in the past few weeks?

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We are talking about now...not about an era where those types of thoughts were allowed to exist.



Wow!



That's one word for it.

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Were getting way off the tracks here (shocking)



I dont want to be painted as a paranoid lunatic. I think there is a very small chance the bad stuff happens. But Id rather not open that door.


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People who dont want the government to be able to track their every move or have remote control over your body?
:lol:

That thought may be worse than the CHEMTRAILS people.

Did you attend some sort of weird conspiracy camp in the past few weeks?

I knew you would freak over that.

I mean they can alter the way the chip works from a remote location. Reasonable assumption in this hypothetical isnt it?


I didnt mean they would control you like a remote control car although I can see how it read that way.


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I don't think paranoid lunatics have a worse track record of being right than naive idealists who place their trust in government. :lol:

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