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So how many mandatory vaccines do we need to take? Do I "need" the HPV vaccine?


Only if you're on the official U.S. Pussy Eaters Registry.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Trust the government....there is no other choice.
You guys are the ones who are going to extremes here. I understand your desire to extend my positions to extremes in response but please don't.

There is a massive difference between what you wrote and the expectation that the government of the United States will not use vaccines to commit genocide against us.

Your post that I quoted pretty much said we have no choice but to trust the government or we'll be a weirdo hiding in a log cabin

How is that misrepresenting anything?


And I said nothing about genocide. You're the one exaggerating or putting JORR's thoughts on me


Are you agreeing with Rick that the U.S. government in its grace and benevolence is incapable of genocide against its own people? It's already done so at least a few times in the not so distant past.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Are you agreeing with Rick that the U.S. government in its grace and benevolence is incapable of genocide against its own people? It's already done so at least a few times in the not so distant past.

Of course not. But Rick is saying Im exaggerating his position, Im pointing out that he's doing that to me



I dont think about genocide though when worrying about this type of thing. The sterilization example that you and I have both raised is much closer to what Im thinking.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I never said anything about the government committing genocide. But you're now ascribing that statement to me, aren't you? Or did I misunderstand?
What you were responding to was about the government committing genocide. You are taking my quote out of context.

Here is an example.

Boilermaker Rick: I think JORR should go to jail for the rest of his life if he commits genocide.
rpb: JORR should go to jail for the rest of his life...there is no other choice.

The whole part about genocide changes everything.

rogers park bryan wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Your post that I quoted pretty much said we have no choice but to trust the government or we'll be a weirdo hiding in a log cabin

How is that misrepresenting anything?
You are conveniently leaving out that the log cabin reference was in regards to the belief that the government will use vaccines as a way to commit genocide.

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As JORR said, it doesnt have to be genocide. Could be anything. The problem is the level of access and trust given to the government. You have to think "the government will always have my best interests in mind" to be ok with that. I'm really not ok with that. (but as I posted might be the lesser of two evils here)
There has to be some basic level of trust of the government. I don't trust them to have my best interests in mind but I also trust them enough to not commit genocide against their people.

Getting back to the point though, the concept of medicine is an open book that is science based and taken from sources both domestic and abroad.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Are you agreeing with Rick that the U.S. government in its grace and benevolence is incapable of genocide against its own people? It's already done so at least a few times in the not so distant past.

Of course not. But Rick is saying Im exaggerating his position, Im pointing out that he's doing that to me

I dont think about genocide though when worrying about this type of thing. The sterilization example that you and I have both raised is much closer to what Im thinking.


Rick just trusts government. You give the government an interdiction program featuring civil asset forfeiture and the public sees them going after El Chapo and Pablo Escobar. In practice they use it to steal from some NFL goof driving around with a suitcase full of cash and a bag of weed or, worse yet, some poor goof who just ran a red light after selling a tractor for $4,800.00 in cash.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Of course not. But Rick is saying Im exaggerating his position, Im pointing out that he's doing that to me
You are holding me accountable for comments made about genocide but you took out the genocide part of it.

It doesn't matter if you said it or not. I did in response to JORR saying it.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Rick just trusts government.
:lol:

1) Go to the biggest extreme possible.
2) Get someone to disagree with you on that extreme.
3) Extend that persons claim to include non-extreme examples.

Well played JORR!

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 Post subject: Re: 2/3: the thread
PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:15 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I never said anything about the government committing genocide. But you're now ascribing that statement to me, aren't you? Or did I misunderstand?
What you were responding to was about the government committing genocide. You are taking my quote out of context.

Here is an example.

Boilermaker Rick: I think JORR should go to jail for the rest of his life if he commits genocide.
rpb: JORR should go to jail for the rest of his life...there is no other choice.

The whole part about genocide changes everything.

Did you just attempt to explain what context means to me?

Wow, that is a new level of arrogance.

You're quote was not taken out of context. You basically repeat it in this post


We have no choice but to trust the government is what you are essentially saying. My analysis of your statement and expressed was and is correct.

See...here you agree with me

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There has to be some basic level of trust of the government. I don't trust them to have my best interests in mind but I also trust them enough to not commit genocide against their people.

We have no choice but to trust the government...to a certain extent.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Getting back to the point though, the concept of medicine is an open book that is science based and taken from sources both domestic and abroad.

No one in this thread has issues with the science or medicine.


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 Post subject: Re: 2/3: the thread
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Of course not. But Rick is saying Im exaggerating his position, Im pointing out that he's doing that to me
You are holding me accountable for comments made about genocide but you took out the genocide part of it.

It doesn't matter if you said it or not. I did in response to JORR saying it.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Trust the government....there is no other choice.
You guys are the ones who are going to extremes here. I understand your desire to extend my positions to extremes in response but please don't.

There is a massive difference between what you wrote and the expectation that the government of the United States will not use vaccines to commit genocide against us.



This post reads like it's about more than JORR


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Rick just trusts government.
:lol:

1) Go to the biggest extreme possible.
2) Get someone to disagree with you on that extreme.
3) Extend that persons claim to include non-extreme examples.

Well played JORR!

You mad because JORR is stealing your act?


Poster: Im not so sure I trust the govt enough to give them that kind of access


Rick: OMG, you think the govt is going to kill you. Go live in a one room cabin and prepare for the war


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rpb you are just wrong. Just read all three embedded quotes to understand.
rogers park bryan wrote:
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What the fuck are you wowing about? It's unbelievable how people get so comfortable and believe nothing could ever happen to them. That shit isn't some ancient history like Attila the Hun or Genghis Khan, it was in 1945. Many of our parents were alive. Germany was a "modern" society. Nobody saw that coming until it was happening. And we don't even have to go back that far. There are atrocities being committed by governments all over the world right now as I type this. But it couldn't happen here!
The problem is that once you go down this road of concern you have to extend it much further then vaccines being used to deliver some sort of genocide. Eventually, you end up living in a one room cabin in South Dakota with a shelter for the coming war.

Trust the government....there is no other choice.


JORR was talking about genocide.
I was talking about genocide.
You then took it to extend to any government action.

Now you are so dug in there is no reasoning with you.

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No, Im not wrong, Rick. You wanted to put me in with JORR which is why you said we were both going to extremes. You want to paint us as paranoid weirdos. It's just not working.

I didnt extend anything. I said nothing about "every government action" that's another fabrication.

You are saying:

We have to trust the government but only a little bit. Not enough where they'll always have my best interests in mind but enough to stick me with a needle.


Is that correct? If so, then you are saying there is no choice but to trust the government


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I didnt extend anything.
You included JORR's post which I was responding to in your post! :lol:

If you just read JORR's post, my post, and then your post in a row you will understand why it is unfair for you to use my response about living in a cabin in South Dakota how you are.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I didnt extend anything.
You included JORR's post which I was responding to in your post! :lol:

If you just read JORR's post, my post, and then your post in a row you will understand why it is unfair for you to use my response about living in a cabin in South Dakota how you are.


Two questions.

1) Do you think the U.S. government conducting a genocide against its own people is impossible?

2) Do you think there were Jews in 1939 Germany who believed a government genocide against them was impossible?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
1) Do you think the U.S. government conducting a genocide against its own people is impossible?
It's possible that Barack Obama could show up at my door and kick me in the nuts. I can't make decisions based on that possibility though.
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2) Do you think there were Jews in 1939 Germany who believed a government genocide against them was impossible?
Probably.

I'll be the first to admit I had misplaced trust in the government when they are committing mass acts of genocide against its citizens. Bump this post when it happens!

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could you envision a scenario where corporations influence what type of vaccinations are mandated? Where "scientific evidence" is created by researchers being paid by drug companies? Where maybe it could turn out years later that certain vaccines were, in fact, harmful?

Yeah, me neither. :lol:

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Hatchetman wrote:
could you envision a scenario where corporations influence what type of vaccinations are mandated? Where "scientific evidence" is created by researchers being paid by drug companies? Where maybe it could turn out years later that certain vaccines were, in fact, harmful?

Yeah, me neither. :lol:



Aren't federally approved drugs pulled off the shelves all the time because of unanticipated side-effects? I see ambulance chaser ads on late night TV offering to "help" if you had some horrible circumstance happen because of taking these drugs. I'd imagine these products were tested and peer-reviewed before they came on the market.

I'm not a conspiracy guy, but it's not much of a leap to believe bad shit occurs under the watch of the government, even if it's just due to inefficiency and nothing nefarious or deliberate...

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Aren't federally approved drugs pulled off the shelves all the time because of unanticipated side-effects? I see ambulance chaser ads on late night TV offering to "help" if you had some horrible circumstance happen because of taking these drugs. I'd imagine these products were tested and peer-reviewed before they came on the market.
Most of the time those aren't really unanticipated side effects. They may have been bigger than expected when subjected to a larger population size but they normally know what the side effects are and the information is easily available.

Personally, unless it was absolutely vital, I'd be waiting a few years for any new medication for that specific reason.

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Mandate that everyone washes their hands after going to the bathroom. You go to jail if you don't?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in- ... d-washing/

Senator Thom Tillis says that it shouldn't be mandatory for restaurant employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom. The market will take care of itself, he says.

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Mandate that everyone washes their hands after going to the bathroom. You go to jail if you don't?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in- ... d-washing/

Senator Thom Tillis says that it shouldn't be mandatory for restaurant employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom. The market will take care of itself, he says.

This might be the dumbest politician in the history of leverage.


This guy's gonna snowball right down the toilet (and then not wash his hands).

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It's a good thing the government has become so trustworthy it doesn't do shit like this anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_s ... experiment

Where do I sign up for my government mandated vaccines?

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We are talking about now...not about an era where those types of thoughts were allowed to exist. (oddly this anti-vaccination theory kind of fits in with that...but I digress). As I noted earlier - the prevalence of a free press and a vocal & trustworthy medical community in conjunction with infinite means of disseminating information prevents this type of widespread conspiracy.


Best post in the thread in light of the press be unwilling to look at a colleague this week and call his bullshit. And let's not forget how they patted W on the back after he decided to go on the attack after 9/11.

And speaking of healthcare, more media negligence in not questioning how ACA was set up and who the hell is going to pay for it.

"We are talking about now..." Indeed.

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denisdman wrote:
Mandate that everyone washes their hands after going to the bathroom. You go to jail if you don't?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in- ... d-washing/

Senator Thom Tillis says that it shouldn't be mandatory for restaurant employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom. The market will take care of itself, he says.

This might be the dumbest politician in the history of leverage.


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