In all my life, I've never seen White Sox fans this upset about the Cubs losing.

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You know me like that.

Yes, they are holding on to the pain.

I released it. The last three years are over now.

I don't think that the budget constraints influenced the course Theo took. I think that reading between the lines, stuff Jed said about the inability to do both build the major league team for a three year period and draft for the future (why?) had to do with budget. I think Theo looked at his budget and figured that the revenue streams needed to spend like he did with the Red Sox were still years away and so he decided to blow it all up and use this narrative of this being the best Plan. But if Theo had had unlimited budget, would we have a bunch of Edwin Jacksons? Who knows.

Whatever the failings of the plan, it is certain in my mind that this team should reach the beginning of its zenith in 2017. 2016 should still be viewed as a growing year, where the young talent gets evaluated at the major league level. It's almost as though Theo changed things midstream acquiring Lester simply because he's available. And seeing as his major failure in the plan has been to draft young immediate impact pitching, perhaps that's the move he had to make.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

WHO NEEDS PITCHING WHEN U HAVE THE 90S BRAVES SLUGGING

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Why do you care so much about what I care about so much?

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

He has attempted to make a major move on a free agent starting pitcher in each of his off seasons.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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More bad subdivision math.... unless you do not consider part of the "TANKING" trading your #1 and #2/3 starter as part of the plan to tank.....

Russell in trade for Shark and Hammel (the #1 and #2/3 starter)
Bryant Draft in 2013 #2 overall
Alomora Draft in 2012 #6 overall
Schwaber Draft in 2014 #4 overall
Johnson Draft inn 2012 first round #43 overall
McKinney trade for Shark and Hammel (the #1 and #2/3 starter)

so that is 6 out of 7 NOT 2

The only player that wasn't a result of "tanking" was Soler an International free agent signing

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If they win going forward I wont really care I stopped watching regularly the last few years.

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yep

as usual, someone states it better than I could have...

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

He tried but failed to sign Shark, so anything resulting from that is incidental. So remove Russell and Mc Kinney.

Schwarber was universally considered available in the mid teens of the draft. You yourself have said that he was drafted over slot. Remove him from the list.

Johnson was available to every team. Remove him from the list.

So now we are back to my original statement of truth.

I could have removed Almora, as he was drafted after Hendry's losing season, not as a part of Theo's tanking plan.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

and you end up being just as incorrect

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

what are you disagreeing with?

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Sorry just wanted to make sure I documented several of good dolphin's Samardzija thoughts over the last couple of seasons. Before he joined the South Side, if you couldn't tell.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Saint Theo transitioned a failed reliever into a serviceable starter with #2/#3 upside and a half-year rental into a top 5 prospect and a top 100 prospect.

I can only hope he "fails" like that again.

Responsive of nothing.

Theo tried to sign him long term. He rebuffed Theo. This was his incentive to sell.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Were you attempting to show that I was correct?

I was a bit off, Shark is a #3 on the Sox. I think he was no higher than that on the A's if they were healthy.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The Cubs losing on purpose is horrible, unfair to other teams that couldn't weather the storm and will never work.
If they start contending every year it won't mean anything because they did it the wrong way.....Signed Mike in Murphysboro

2012) White Sox 85-77 Cubs 61-101 (2012 Year 1 of Theo, Jed, Jason)
2013) White Sox 63-99 Cubs 66-96 WS Drafted at 17 Cubs at 2
2014) White Sox 73-89 Cubs 73-89 WS Drafted at 3 Cubs at 4
2015) WS Draft at 8 Cubs at 9

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Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe

Wrong.


That trade is a HUGE part of the rebuild and it KILLS you because you spent that whole season talking aobut how bad Samardzija is and then Theo flipped this guy you deemed a #4 starter for two hugely touted prospects

This was also after posting that Theo was smart to lowball Samardzija.


Stop lawyering. We all know what happened.

This only bolsters my position that losing was not necessary to achieve future success. Good teams make good trades all the time without losing. Good GM also draft good players all over the draft.

The trade was good because Samardzija was going to walk. What if he were willing to sign. Would the Cubs be more or less poised for future success with Samardzija on the staff versus Russell in their pocket? That is pretty indeterminate right now.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

rpb coming off like a guy who believes in the plan!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Rough day for dolphin


Dolphin stood on three platforms last year

Rizzo sucks (All star)
Samardzija is a #4 and will return nothing of value (2 top prospects)
White Sox are in the WC hunt (89 losses)


Also, after making the fools gold comments on Castro, dolphin would later say "why are you all surpised at Castro's resrugence? He's a known commodity?"


I guess he was a known commodity of fools gold

Just reporting what happened without the white sox glasses.


Id have preferred they signed an All star team in 2011 but that didnt happen so here we are



Here's the thing. The bad part is over and that has Sox fans worried (ridiculous to worry about a team like the Cubs....but they DO)

The undeniable fact is that Theo wanted Samardzija long term. This was not part of the tanking plan. It was a reaction to Samardzija telling him no.

You have avoided the unpleasant answer to this question: What was Samardzija on the A's if their staff was healthy? What is he currently on the Sox?

Theo took advantage of a desperate Beane. Cherrington did as well.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I don't think there is a single Sox fan who is worried. The Sox look fine to me in the present and future.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Nope. Not only is it deniable, its the truth. I understand it blows up your whole argument though.


Ive not avoided anything. He's probably #2 on the Sox. But you thought he was a #4.


If he was a #4 then Theo made an unbelievable trade and you have to give him credit
If he's a #2 then you were just flat out wrong.

I don't think it is worried.

It seems like many Sox fans didn't think you had to lose for 5 straight years to rebuild. Being competitive doesn't mean that is wrong.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The Sox always look good to you. Every year.


If you think that Sox fans dont worry about the Cubs having success than I guess we disagree and that's fine. I still love you as much as ever.