Labeling something with which you disagree as un-American is as lazy and empty as it gets.

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When does calling somebody lazy become lazy, it seems to be a new epidemic of the board?

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Mistyped flat for one thing. What I am trying to say that American ideas like one man one vote are opposite of progressive income taxes. What would line up with it would be one tax rate for everyone carefully calculated and no deductions whatsoever. I think sales taxes are also fair as well as they take a tax from the underground economies.

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I explained myself.

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Inherited wealth used to buy laws and keep the inherited wealth cylce going is more un-American, imo

I didn't call Mike lazy. I called his criticism lazy.

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Not really. What makes an idea American, or un-American?

I heard a lot of "Un-American" between Jan 2001 and Jan 2009, whenever somebody dared to disagree with the President. I am just looking for a working definition, not empty rhetoric.

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I think it's American to sacrifice. Therefore, to be a true American is to put your country before yourself.

So if I'm making 250K I should be happy to pay 25% instead of 15% the 50K is paying. That's what a real American would feel.

America.

The most American thing to do is burn the rich in public before the gleeful cheers of the burdened masses. Taxing them at 75%+ will suffice, though.

I agree on the buying laws and influence. I am all for inherited wealth after a tax.

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By that I simply mean the ideals at the beginning of the country. I am not calling Cindy Sheehan like in your time frame un-American.

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Slavery was an American ideal in the beginning of our country.

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Why must you get off track every time. Fair to me is we all pay same rate. If you want more money for the poor take it some other way. Sales tax on yachts and private jets without deductions for instance.

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I didn't get off track. You said "American" was an ideal in the beginning of our country. Slavery fits that description.



I didn't ask what you think is fair. I asked what makes an idea American, or un-American. My contention is that labeling something un-American, simply because you disagree with it, is empty and lazy.

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Well yes one man one vote and similar thoughts are American. Slavery was obviously wrong and was corrected. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Clearly "taxation without representation" was one of the primary issues driving the American revolution. And the more progressivity we add to the tax code (the US already has the most progressive rates in the developed world), the more people we have who pay nothing in income tax. Maybe if you pay 10x in taxes compared to someone else, you should get an extra vote or two.

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What the fuck do you know? What about slavery and that 3/5 of a man shit!?

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Their votes are more important than mine. They get the benefit of buying politicians.

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You said a progressive tax rate was un-American. Voting has nothing to do with this.

You still haven't explained why something is un-American simply because you disagree with it. Good talk.

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Everyone paying the same rate or increasing the sales tax is nothing more than a regressive tax policy.

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I used the vote analogy to show all men are equal therefore one does not pay more than the other for a tax rate. Jeez are you that stubborn and dense to get that idea?

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Call it what you like but it is definitely more fair. Nothing more nothing less. If the government or population have more concerns that need to be addressed in social issue they can simply raise the rate or use the money saved by eliminating 80% of the IRS.

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It really isn't fair at all IMO. The poor and the middle class would pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes.

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Before all the Chussing though I said they needed to calculate carefully the percentage. It does not have to be that high as I see it because the rich will pay more as a whole especially when I suggested eliminating ALL deductions. The sales tax on one private jet will replace a lot of funds to feed the poor.

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That's a terrible analogy. Stop kicking the can down the road.



Name calling? That must make your position the correct one. I'm still waiting for a definition of un-American.

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When generational wealth is used to affect policy we are pretty far from "one man, one vote"

un-American: The failure to understand that accumulating as many earthly goods and as much cash as possible is the ultimate goal. What are you? A goddamn commie?

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Besides regressive/progressive there's also proportional taxation. A properly implemented "flat" or VAT or consumption tax (essentials like food, etc excluded, credits for lower income taxpayers) can be proportional. In practice, most all consumption taxes end up being at least somewhat regressive.

The insidiously regressive taxes are things like scratch-offs, parking tickets, sin taxes, gas taxes.