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Come on....ChEW EE is going to take care of the $300 million deficit in next year's city budget, or the $550 million balloon payment to the police and fire pension funds, or the nearly $30 billion in unfunded obligations for the five pension funds for city workers and teachers.

CHEWER'S got this one with no problem!


What will Rahm do?


He will do a better job than the other guys, which is the issue at hand.

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People will look at both candidates and say, 'Who's big enough for the job?' They understand that the challenges are so big and complex, it requires larger-than-life candidates. That's why the people who've thrived in this job are the Harold Washingtons, the Rich Daleys and the Rahm Emanuels. If someone comes through a run-off, they'll be scrutinized in a way that they haven't been much more closely as a potential mayor.


Backing up what I said earlier, that we want to be ruled by kings. We want -- no, need -- our little Napoleon to lead us, not some mere mumbling low-level functionary. Amazing that of all the people who couldn't stand Rahm, they couldn't come up with one who could stand up to him.

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I noticed yesterday Deb Mell's name painted on the wooden street barricades in her ward. Is this common for aldermen/women?

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I noticed yesterday Deb Mell's name painted on the wooden street barricades in her ward. Is this common for aldermen/women?

Yes, very common

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Nas wrote:
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Come on....ChEW EE is going to take care of the $300 million deficit in next year's city budget, or the $550 million balloon payment to the police and fire pension funds, or the nearly $30 billion in unfunded obligations for the five pension funds for city workers and teachers.

CHEWER'S got this one with no problem!


What will Rahm do?


I think the better question is "Why hasn't he done something already?"

City bond rating fell AGAIN yesterday.

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Come on....ChEW EE is going to take care of the $300 million deficit in next year's city budget, or the $550 million balloon payment to the police and fire pension funds, or the nearly $30 billion in unfunded obligations for the five pension funds for city workers and teachers.

CHEWER'S got this one with no problem!


What will Rahm do?


I think the better question is "Why hasn't he done something already?"

City bond rating fell AGAIN yesterday.


The real fun starts when the city has to start borrowing money to cover existing interest payments.


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The irony of a Democratic wunderkind, possibly losing to a political nobody, and the difference being the votes of undocumented citizens, is too rich to comprehend.

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The irony of a Democratic wunderkind, possibly losing to a political nobody, and the difference being the votes of illegal immigrants, is too rich to comprehend.


I totally agree.

Chicago's best option may be to just waive the white flag and declare a bankruptcy.

The longer you wait the worse it is.


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Nah, Rahm's got this. When the reality of electing a faceless county politician with a nebulous platform of "I'll do some shit" and "I'm generally not Rahm," sets in, enough people will fall in line with the devil they know.

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Out with some poltiical peeps last night. They are employed in the Halls of Cook and City buildings.

Both giving the same vibe. Neither like Rahm, both dont like his ego, etc etc....but both agree Chuey makes the city a complete mess.

One made the great point that Chuy bought votes with promises that he just cant keep and if he does win the deficit would grow so large, they might need to sell Soldier Field to cover a year of op xps.

It is a very close to what I think, but I dont give a shit about Rahms ego or that he is a shithead, he does a better job than the other guy. Isnt it what you want? Its like the QB for the Bears, dont you want a QB that leads and is cocky...

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Will that job still be shitty? Will he get shit done?

Chuy made his rounds on cable news shows this weekend and I think the money will start pouring in from progressives across the country and Republican organizations that would love to stick it to Rahm.

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I don't think I have a problem with his ego in and of itself, but I have a problem with this idea that we're all crying out for a Proven Alpha Male to lead us, and that Rahm is what passes for one.

Doesn't it seem like Chuy being here in the first place is a symptom of how fed up people are with Rahm's policies and leadership style? Rahm ran against this sorry-ass crop of opponents and couldn't break 50 percent against them. That really had no business happening.

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Will that job still be shitty? Will he get shit done?

Chuy made his rounds on cable news shows this weekend and I think the money will start pouring in from progressives across the country and Republican organizations that would love to stick it to Rahm.


Anyone see the similarities between Rahm and Obama yet?

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Will that job still be shitty? Will he get shit done?

Chuy made his rounds on cable news shows this weekend and I think the money will start pouring in from progressives across the country and Republican organizations that would love to stick it to Rahm.


Anyone see the similarities between Rahm and Obama yet?


Rahm had far more experience but both inherited fucked up situations. Both are polarizing but not for the same reason.

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Out with some poltiical peeps last night. They are employed in the Halls of Cook and City buildings...
One made the great point that Chuy bought votes with promises that he just cant keep and if he does win the deficit would grow so large, they might need to sell Soldier Field to cover a year of op xps.

It is a very close to what I think, but I dont give a shit about Rahms ego or that he is a shithead, he does a better job than the other guy. Isnt it what you want? Its like the QB for the Bears, dont you want a QB that leads and is cocky...


:lol: :lol:

WTF do these peeps think has been going on in Chicago since the early 50's?

So it's OK for the white guys to do it, but not for the Mexican guys to do what Rahm has continued to do for the last four years?

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Rauner has said he wants to deal with the pension issues by having cities enter federal bankruptcy. Cuttinng the amount of funding the state returns to the cities hastens the day that happens.

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Gov. Bruce Rauner wants to give cities, towns and counties the authority to file for bankruptcy protection, a move that could give local governments a stronger foothold when negotiating with local police and fire officials over costly pension obligations.

The governor made no mention of the idea during his State of the State speech Wednesday, instead burying the concept in a list of talking points the administration distributed to lawmakers. Rauner aides would not elaborate on how it might work.

The state of Illinois will inevitably end up in bankruptcy as well. It's simple math. The pension obligations are ballooning as boomers retire while the tax base shrinks. Image
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Policymakers are working behind the scenes to come up with a way to let states declare bankruptcy and get out from under crushing debts, including the pensions they have promised to retired public workers.
Unlike cities, the states are barred from seeking protection in federal bankruptcy court. Any effort to change that status would have to clear high constitutional hurdles because the states are considered sovereign.

But proponents say some states are so burdened that the only feasible way out may be bankruptcy, giving Illinois, for example, the opportunity to do what General Motors did with the federal government’s aid.


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It is a very close to what I think, but I dont give a shit about Rahms ego or that he is a shithead, he does a better job than the other guy. Isnt it what you want?


Exactly. I couldn’t care less whether Rahm has a nice personality or not. Being the mayor of Chicago is a tough job and necessitates a certain degree of mental toughness and assertiveness.


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It is a very close to what I think, but I dont give a shit about Rahms ego or that he is a shithead, he does a better job than the other guy. Isnt it what you want?


Exactly. I couldn’t care less whether Rahm has a nice personality or not. Being the mayor of Chicago is a tough job and necessitates a certain degree of mental toughness and assertiveness.



Let us know when he gets assertive with the pension debt and mentally tough about paying for the promises that he has made.

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It is a very close to what I think, but I dont give a shit about Rahms ego or that he is a shithead, he does a better job than the other guy. Isnt it what you want?


Exactly. I couldn’t care less whether Rahm has a nice personality or not. Being the mayor of Chicago is a tough job and necessitates a certain degree of mental toughness and assertiveness.



Let us know when he gets assertive with the pension debt and mentally tough about paying for the promises that he has made.


The mayor last year reformed the Municipal Employees and Laborers Fund, which includes a $50 million tax on phone service. I guess you must have missed this.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/06/26/aldermen-back-mayors-plan-to-hike-phone-tax-to-fund-pensions/


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1st thing Rahm did...or didnt do from Day 1...he didnt suck up the unions for the votes, knowing he then would need to back them when it comes to raises.

Chewdog went from union to union, labor group, neighborhood group looking for support. What promises he made, we dont know, but if you think they supported him on his ability alone, I cant agree with that.

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1st thing Rahm did...or didnt do from Day 1...he didnt suck up the unions for the votes, knowing he then would need to back them when it comes to raises.

Chewdog went from union to union, labor group, neighborhood group looking for support. What promises he made, we dont know, but if you think they supported him on his ability alone, I cant agree with that.


Chew Dog as you so eloquently refer to him, has now gone from not being able to pay for all of his promises, to maybe having made promise. "We don't know"... is your exact quote.

So first for WCB, I didn't miss anything, and a $50 million dollar phone tax doesn't begin to pay for the pension deficit. Not even close. And guess who gets hurt most by that phone tax? Try the people more likely to back Garcia, not Emmanuel.

And now Biggie, the same folks walking around City Hall, and the County Building. that have supported white politicians who have repeatedly engaged in the same behavior that you ALLEGE that Garcia will, now all of a sudden have a problem with it. After repeatedly pulling a lever for the likes of Emmanuel and Daley, now Chuy is not acceptable.

Why isn't the same behavior OK when the if the Mexican guy does it?

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I have said, run with Chuy (I dont want to denegrate such a formal name of stature and recognition that is equal to BRO, as used in the hsipanic community), if you think he is better for the city, thats your opinion. You should move back and vote for him or just send him some money.

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Biggie back pedaling alot here...

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Biggie back pedaling alot here...



Moving up the draft boards as a cornerback.

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Biggie back pedaling alot here...

I think my first comment was, elect him, lets see what happens. Only real way to determine what a complete mess it will be.

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Biggie back pedaling alot here...

I think my first comment was, elect him, lets see what happens. Only real way to determine what a complete mess it will be.


:lol: :lol:

Because it's not a fucking out of control train wreck already.

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Then he should do nothing but be able to improve it with the re-openings of the closed schools, more cops, union raises across the boars...less fees and taxes. Sounds perfect....How about some free water too? I mean we have this big lake.

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Then he should do nothing but be able to improve it with the re-openings of the closed schools, more cops, union raises across the boars...less fees and taxes. Sounds perfect....How about some free water too? I mean we have this big lake.



Did you have a problem with the work that he did for you?

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Then he should do nothing but be able to improve it with the re-openings of the closed schools, more cops, union raises across the boars...less fees and taxes. Sounds perfect....How about some free water too? I mean we have this big lake.



Did you have a problem with the work that he did for you?


None whatsoever, it was almost nothing, something that every city employee should do for everyone without a hassle, but City employees dont do that, they make things difficult because it doesnt matter to them if you get what you need or not. So, while he did something for me/us, my plumber also put in my overhead drain and I dont want him as Mayor either....

The fact Chuy comes from this line of thinking of...."I will do this, but what can you do for me" is a problem, when that person is already being paid to do the job. I think the legal help his kid got demonstrates his thinking.

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Then he should do nothing but be able to improve it with the re-openings of the closed schools, more cops, union raises across the boars...less fees and taxes. Sounds perfect....How about some free water too? I mean we have this big lake.



Did you have a problem with the work that he did for you?


None whatsoever, it was almost nothing, something that every city employee should do for everyone without a hassle, but City employees dont do that, they make things difficult because it doesnt matter to them if you get what you need or not. So, while he did something for me/us, my plumber also put in my overhead drain and I dont want him as Mayor either....

The fact Chuy comes from this line of thinking of...."I will do this, but what can you do for me" is a problem, when that person is already being paid to do the job. I think the legal help his kid got demonstrates his thinking.


The entire City of Chicago has been run on this very premise since Daley I.

And Daley shielded his nephew from prosecution after he killed the guy on Rush St. And acted like every high school kid attacks people with baseball bats after another family issue in Michigan.

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