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wider range of styles = 1 team rotating the ball around the perimeter clockwise instead of counter clockwise for 30 seconds before throwing up a terrible shot
Yeah, no.


go ahead, go all Bernsie on me and breakdown all these various styles for me, i'm sure the fact that Gonzaga players set a pick slightly different than players on UCLA makes for thrilling basketball
No thanks.

Your thought was just bad if that is how you describe college offense.

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I could make the same argument using the same points for high school basketball over college basketball. My point was there nothing about the actual game play is better. I do agree the NCAA tournament is highly entertaining.
I gave you 8 reasons(some may be only partially game play related). :lol:

The NBA has better players who can jump higher and are faster. If that is your point then just say that. Don't say the actual game play is better in every way.

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Bagels wrote:
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wider range of styles = 1 team rotating the ball around the perimeter clockwise instead of counter clockwise for 30 seconds before throwing up a terrible shot
Yeah, no.


go ahead, go all Bernsie on me and breakdown all these various styles for me, i'm sure the fact that Gonzaga players set a pick slightly different than players on UCLA makes for thrilling basketball



Come on, Bagels. You know there are college teams that base everything they do off full court pressure. If a coach asked his team to do that in the NBA they'd have him fired in short order. That actually happened with Pitino. The two-man game is the NBA.

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wider range of styles = 1 team rotating the ball around the perimeter clockwise instead of counter clockwise for 30 seconds before throwing up a terrible shot
Yeah, no.


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wider range of styles = 1 team rotating the ball around the perimeter clockwise instead of counter clockwise for 30 seconds before throwing up a terrible shot
Yeah, no.


go ahead, go all Bernsie on me and breakdown all these various styles for me, i'm sure the fact that Gonzaga players set a pick slightly different than players on UCLA makes for thrilling basketball



Come on, Bagels. You know there are college teams that base everything they do off full court pressure. If a coach asked his team to do that in the NBA they'd have him fired in short order. That actually happened with Pitino. The two-man game is the NBA.


so are you saying that there are styles of play used in college that essentially don't work when used against better caliber players ?


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I could make the same argument using the same points for high school basketball over college basketball. My point was there nothing about the actual game play is better. I do agree the NCAA tournament is highly entertaining.
I gave you 8 reasons(some may be only partially game play related). :lol:

The NBA has better players who can jump higher and are faster. If that is your point then just say that. Don't say the actual game play is better in every way.


The defense and offense are light years better than college on the whole. That would be like me saying Simeon/Stevenson is better played basketball than Duke/North Carolina.

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wider range of styles = 1 team rotating the ball around the perimeter clockwise instead of counter clockwise for 30 seconds before throwing up a terrible shot
Yeah, no.


go ahead, go all Bernsie on me and breakdown all these various styles for me, i'm sure the fact that Gonzaga players set a pick slightly different than players on UCLA makes for thrilling basketball



Come on, Bagels. You know there are college teams that base everything they do off full court pressure. If a coach asked his team to do that in the NBA they'd have him fired in short order. That actually happened with Pitino. The two-man game is the NBA.


The guards are too good in the NBA for full court pressure to work all game.

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so are you saying that there are styles of play used in college that essentially don't work when used against better caliber players ?



No, I'm saying that the better caliber players are just doing a job. And like you and me, they don't like a boss asking them to do extra stuff. That's why the regular season is so terrible. That's why the Bulls are rebelling against Thibodeau. It's actually amazing that he was able to ride them as hard as he did for three years.

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The guards are too good in the NBA for full court pressure to work all game.



That's wrong. Ballhandling is not a premium in the NBA because there is so little pressure. That's why guys like Ainge and Pippen could bring up the ball. They could never have done that in college.

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Hope we talk about B&B show here today and maybe move your basketball arguments elsewhere.

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Hope we talk about B&B show here today and maybe move your basketball arguments elsewhere.



Are we really going to have this conversation again? Threads go where they go. That's Messageboarding 101.

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What do you disagree with?

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Hope we talk about B&B show here today and maybe move your basketball arguments elsewhere.



Are we really going to have this conversation again? Threads go where they go. That's Messageboarding 101.



I just hoped as it makes my reading easier. Do what you want I am not in control.

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The defense and offense are light years better than college on the whole. That would be like me saying Simeon/Stevenson is better played basketball than Duke/North Carolina.
I understand that the players in the NBA are bigger and stronger. If that is what you want most in your sports then that is fine.

I'm willing to watch with the understanding that 18-22 year olds are not going to be the same as 20-35 year olds. In many ways, I actually think it is an advantage in making more compelling games and stories that it isn't simply "best athlete wins". I have a friend who loves the NBA, and he always gets mad when I ask "Why don't you watch track and field? Those athletes are even better than NBA players". Any answer he comes up with could also be used to explain why someone would prefer college basketball.

Once again, and let's be clear here. You can like what you want. I find college basketball to be better but I'm not saying that the NBA isn't better in ways too.

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a 26 year old pippen would take the ball coast to coast on every play in the Big East conference.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The guards are too good in the NBA for full court pressure to work all game.



That's wrong. Ballhandling is not a premium in the NBA because there is so little pressure. That's why guys like Ainge and Pippen could bring up the ball. They could never have done that in college.


There is so little pressure because it doesn't work in the NBA.

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a 26 year old pippen would take the ball coast to coast on every play in the Big East conference.
:lol: What?

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conns7901 wrote:
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The guards are too good in the NBA for full court pressure to work all game.



That's wrong. Ballhandling is not a premium in the NBA because there is so little pressure. That's why guys like Ainge and Pippen could bring up the ball. They could never have done that in college.


There is so little pressure because it doesn't work in the NBA.


It doesn't work because millionaire primadonnas don't want to make the effort.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I'm willing to watch with the understanding that 18-22 year olds are not going to be the same as 20-35 year olds. In many ways, I actually think it is an advantage in making more compelling games and stories that it isn't simply "best athlete wins". I have a friend who loves the NBA, and he always gets mad when I ask "Why don't you watch track and field? Those athletes are even better than NBA players". Any answer he comes up with could also be used to explain why someone would prefer college basketball.


why don't you go down to your local gym or YMCA and watch pick up games ? I'm sure the games are compelling and i'm sure the players probably have good "stories"


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I'm willing to watch with the understanding that 18-22 year olds are not going to be the same as 20-35 year olds. In many ways, I actually think it is an advantage in making more compelling games and stories that it isn't simply "best athlete wins". I have a friend who loves the NBA, and he always gets mad when I ask "Why don't you watch track and field? Those athletes are even better than NBA players". Any answer he comes up with could also be used to explain why someone would prefer college basketball.


why don't you go down to your local gym or YMCA and watch pick up games ? I'm sure the games are compelling and i'm sure the players probably have good "stories"



It's not televised.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The guards are too good in the NBA for full court pressure to work all game.



That's wrong. Ballhandling is not a premium in the NBA because there is so little pressure. That's why guys like Ainge and Pippen could bring up the ball. They could never have done that in college.


There is so little pressure because it doesn't work in the NBA.


It doesn't work because millionaire primadonnas don't want to make the effort.


:lol: :lol:

That's completely false.

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why don't you go down to your local gym or YMCA and watch pick up games ? I'm sure the games are compelling and i'm sure the players probably have good "stories"
I prefer college basketball. That is why.

Did you see my list above? My local gym does not meet most of those.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The guards are too good in the NBA for full court pressure to work all game.



That's wrong. Ballhandling is not a premium in the NBA because there is so little pressure. That's why guys like Ainge and Pippen could bring up the ball. They could never have done that in college.


There is so little pressure because it doesn't work in the NBA.


It doesn't work because millionaire primadonnas don't want to make the effort.
Realistically, it has more to do with the rules of the NBA and how the games are called.

Teams of equal athletic ability can press each other in college so it is not like there is some sort of magic ability in the NBA that causes it not to work.

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Did you see my list above? My local gym does not meet most of those.


actually, i think it meets most of them

i'm sure there are some pretty good rivalries down at the Y !!! :lol:


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Did you see my list above? My local gym does not meet most of those.


actually, i think it meets most of them

i'm sure there are some pretty good rivalries down at the Y !!! :lol:
It doesn't meet any of them. :lol:

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:lol: :lol:

That's completely false.


It's not false. There are superior ballhandlers in college who will never sniff the NBA or will have nothing more than the proverbial cup of coffee. Those skills aren't critical to the way the game is played.

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I prefer NBA > NCAA, but the tournament always has great drama. Obviously the level of play is higher in the pros. In the college games I watch, I always see many terrible turnovers, and shot selection. The college game seems to revolve around running the 35 second shot clock down near zero, and someone firing up a bad 3. It's like watching a team full of Kirk Hinrich's.

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The college game seems to revolve around running the 35 second shot clock down near zero, and someone firing up a bad 3. It's like watching a team full of Kirk Hinrich's.


uh oh, hopefully that's not how you describe college offense !


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In the college games I watch, I always see many terrible turnovers, and shot selection. The college game seems to revolve around running the 35 second shot clock down near zero, and someone firing up a bad 3. It's like watching a team full of Kirk Hinrich's.
I think you are selecting some of the games that don't go so well. The NBA has plenty too. Would you judge the NBA on the Knicks and Sixers?

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