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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:58 pm

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jimmypasta wrote:

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Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta:

Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair.

Take a look around,we are taking over the world!

Read that post again out loud and think about it, Jimmy

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Don Tiny

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:00 pm

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jimmypasta wrote:

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Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta:

Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair.

Take a look around,we are taking over the world!

Hey, it's you as Soda, Matches as Bald Bull, and me as King Hippo, so I think you got the best draw on that one.

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pittmike

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:01 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Just throwing out names from my generation and after. Tyson, Holmes, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Jones Jr. Very tough list to make.

It's odd how forgettable Roy Jones Jr. is to me. Great boxer/fighter, but he had the misfortune of fighting during a period where there was really only interest in the heavyweights.

He was tough as hell though as far as I recall.

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pittmike

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rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

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Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta:

Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair.

Take a look around,we are taking over the world!

Read that post again out loud and think about it, Jimmy

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:05 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

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Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta:

Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair.

Take a look around,we are taking over the world!

Read that post again out loud and think about it, Jimmy

"Head Shaved" maybe?

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:07 pm

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jimmypasta wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

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Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta:

Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair.

Take a look around,we are taking over the world!

Read that post again out loud and think about it, Jimmy

"Head Shaved" maybe?

It sounds like you're recruiting Don Tiny to join your White Supremacist gang

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DannyB

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:08 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Which of these guys would have beaten Tyson if both in their primes? A lot of guys?

Ali, Frazier & Foreman would have. Frazier would have killed him.

As for Lawrence Holmes, I can't see him in the top 10 of just heavyweights. But that may largely be because he fought in a remarkably dead period of heavyweight boxing. I'm having a hard time mustering respect for any of the guys he routinely clobbered.

Tex Cobb, Gerry Cooney? Heresy.

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jimmypasta

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DT and me...that's one hell of a start!...lol

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jimmypasta

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:09 pm

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BTW,I might check out Boxing's return on NBC this Saturday.

Last time I checked,giant Russian twins men owned the sport.

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KDdidit

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:39 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

KDdidit wrote:

Did Tyson beat anybody who was great? Did the rest of them lose the belt to any body as bad as Buster?

I think Ruddock was great at the time

He beat everyone put in front of him. Its not like he was ducking anybody

Sure, it's not his fault there weren't any great heavyweights, but it matters.

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Don Tiny

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jimmypasta wrote:

BTW,I might check out Boxing's return on NBC this Saturday.

Hoping I remember about that.

I don't mind a boxing match not having any heat ... just give me a few rounds of passable boxing on easily-accessible television not named USA so I can pretend it's 1980 again.

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ZephMarshack

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I guess I can understand excluding Greb because of no video footage, but most people these days put him in the top 3 on these lists. Aside from him I'd say Ezzard Charles was the other glaring omission. Overall I think heavyweight is overrepresented and Johnson ahead of Langford is kind of silly.

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KDdidit

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Don Tiny wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

BTW,I might check out Boxing's return on NBC this Saturday.

It reminds me of Kellerman's spiel (although I'm sure it wasn't his originally) that if you go to a street and on one corner you see guys playing basketball, one corner is guys playing baseball, one corner guys playing football, and on the other is 2 guys fighting, most everyone would watch the guys fighting. Boxing should be an easy sell.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:42 pm

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ZephMarshack wrote:

Man, your post just reminds me how much I dont know about boxing.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:48 pm

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Q.Bovifs wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

My generation (85-present)

Tyson
Roy Jones
Mayweather
Holyfield
Bowe

My List for that Span (in order, Top-down) would be as follows:

Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar-Chavez
Roberto Duran
Vitali Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Marvin Hagler
Wladimir Klitschko
Evander Holyfield
Joe Calzaghe
Larry Holmes
Thomas Hearns
Mike Tyson
James Toney
Floyd Mayweather
Virgil Hill
Tim Witherspoon
Roy Jones, Jr.
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquiao
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar DeLaHoya
Marco Antonio Barrera
Israel Vasquez
Gennady Golovkin
Felix Trinidad
Carl Froch
Hector Camacho
Razor Ruddock
Miguel Cotto
Rafael Marquez
Saul Alvarez
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Shane Mosely
Zab Judah
Sergio Martinez
Michael Spinks
Ricky Hatton
Brandon Rios
Ike Ibeabuchi
Kostya Tsu

I dont know 11 of those guys. Can you guess which ones?

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ZephMarshack

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Q.Bovifs wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

My generation (85-present)

Tyson
Roy Jones
Mayweather
Holyfield
Bowe

My List for that Span (in order, Top-down) would be as follows:

Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar-Chavez
Roberto Duran
Vitali Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Marvin Hagler
Wladimir Klitschko
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Thomas Hearns
James Toney
Joe Calzaghe
Floyd Mayweather
Virgil Hill
Tim Witherspoon
Roy Jones, Jr.
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquiao
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar DeLaHoya
Marco Antonio Barrera
Israel Vasquez
Gennady Golovkin
Andre Ward
Felix Trinidad
Carl Froch
Hector Camacho
Razor Ruddock
Miguel Cotto
Rafael Marquez
Saul Alvarez
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Shane Mosely
Zab Judah
Sergio Martinez
Michael Spinks
Ricky Hatton
Brandon Rios
Ike Ibeabuchi
Kostya Tsu

At the risk of driving everyone else out of the thread with our geekdom, I have to ask why Barrera over the other Mexicans in his generation?

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Rod

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:24 pm

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ZephMarshack wrote:

Well, heavyweight is the glamor division. All things being equal, I think most people would take the heavy over the lighter guy.

Langford is the guy Johnson refused to fight, right? I suppose by that reasoning, putting him ahead is silly, but I do think most experts would consider Johnson greater.

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:35 pm

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I wonder if they left Rocky Marciano off just to provoke a reaction.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

At the risk of driving everyone else out of the thread with our geekdom, I have to ask why Barrera over the other Mexicans in his generation?

Mostly because Vasquez and Raffy Marquez, while total warriors, mostly made their names just fighting each other. They ended each others' careers with all that punishment absorbed from those wars.

Barrerra took a lot of different guys to war, ended Prince Naseem Hamed's Career (I would put Prince on list right above Michael Spinks, and Kevin Kelly right below him), and he basically put Pacman on the map when he lost to him the first time.

Glaring omission by me was Erik Morales. I'd put him right above Trinidad.

I also would put Gatti right above Zab Judah.

Yeah I was mostly asking about Morales and Marquez. I'm a huge Morales stan, thought the second fight Barrera where he got screwed was the clearest of their 3 fights, and generally prefer his resume. I also think the third and fourth Pacquiao fights are sufficient justification to have Marquez ahead of both.

Judah over Tszyu is an interesting choice too. I feel like Zab could have been on the list but never really demonstrated it in the ring.

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ZephMarshack

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

You're right about the division but it's also been historically one of the weakest IMO. Also the logic of putting Langford ahead of Johnson isn't simply because Johnson refused to fight him but also because Langford's resume is better I think, in spite of how much of an icon Johnson was.

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pittmike

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:33 pm

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Strangely enough when boxing wen with all the lighter weight Mexican fighters I seemed to lose interest. I liked that there was more action but they didn't seem big time. Also, boxing in general went away from my tv and I was not doing a PPV per month.

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Chus wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

I wonder if they left Rocky Marciano off just to provoke a reaction.

Well...he did beat Joe Louis' ass.

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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:30 pm

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K.O. Stradivarius should be on there.

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