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Government should be creating an environment that makes a business want to expand, not sit on the sidelines waiting.


And also create an environment which makes working the better alternative to government assistance. It seems they make it very easy for people to sit at home rather than get and keep jobs.

I have made that point many times before. I like the German model of those getting government assistance for not working, go to work for the government. Give me one day or working at a park cleaning up, have a supervisor provide a work report for them, so when they go looking for a job they can provide a report as to how hard they work.

Essentialy zero initiative to do much right now.


Spent time with a vendor in KC yesterday.

Has 20 open truck driving jobs with an average pay between $45-50K. Can't find anyone to fill them.

Have seen the same issue in OKC, Omaha and Amarillo.

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Government should be creating an environment that makes a business want to expand, not sit on the sidelines waiting.


And also create an environment which makes working the better alternative to government assistance. It seems they make it very easy for people to sit at home rather than get and keep jobs.

I have made that point many times before. I like the German model of those getting government assistance for not working, go to work for the government. Give me one day or working at a park cleaning up, have a supervisor provide a work report for them, so when they go looking for a job they can provide a report as to how hard they work.

Essentialy zero initiative to do much right now.


Spent time with a vendor in KC yesterday.

Has 20 open truck driving jobs with an average pay between $45-50K. Can't find anyone to fill them.

Have seen the same issue in OKC, Omaha and Amarillo.


With all of the restrictions in place now by the government, it is harder than ever to get a CDL. This is standard across the industry and across the country. It is a major problem, that most don't know about.

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And also create an environment which makes working the better alternative to government assistance. It seems they make it very easy for people to sit at home rather than get and keep jobs.

I have made that point many times before. I like the German model of those getting government assistance for not working, go to work for the government. Give me one day or working at a park cleaning up, have a supervisor provide a work report for them, so when they go looking for a job they can provide a report as to how hard they work.

Essentialy zero initiative to do much right now.


Spent time with a vendor in KC yesterday.

Has 20 open truck driving jobs with an average pay between $45-50K. Can't find anyone to fill them.

Have seen the same issue in OKC, Omaha and Amarillo.


With all of the restrictions in place now by the government, it is harder than ever to get a CDL. This is standard across the industry and across the country. It is a major problem, that most don't know about.
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Seacrest wrote:
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Government should be creating an environment that makes a business want to expand, not sit on the sidelines waiting.


And also create an environment which makes working the better alternative to government assistance. It seems they make it very easy for people to sit at home rather than get and keep jobs.

I have made that point many times before. I like the German model of those getting government assistance for not working, go to work for the government. Give me one day or working at a park cleaning up, have a supervisor provide a work report for them, so when they go looking for a job they can provide a report as to how hard they work.

Essentialy zero initiative to do much right now.


Spent time with a vendor in KC yesterday.

Has 20 open truck driving jobs with an average pay between $45-50K. Can't find anyone to fill them.

Have seen the same issue in OKC, Omaha and Amarillo.

It seems like there is always jobs for someone with a CDL


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With all of the restrictions in place now by the government, it is harder than ever to get a CDL. This is standard across the industry and across the country. It is a major problem, that most don't know about.

What has changed?


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Isn't that because as soon as they get the CDL and six months experience they fuck off to the Bakken fields to double their income hauling water/run-off/etc.


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With all of the restrictions in place now by the government, it is harder than ever to get a CDL. This is standard across the industry and across the country. It is a major problem, that most don't know about.

What has changed?

Tightening up of health records and driver records, it had better be clean. Go and google it, there is all kinds of information, but it has caused a major driver shortage, and some good drivers can't keep there CDL's any longer which sucks.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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With all of the restrictions in place now by the government, it is harder than ever to get a CDL. This is standard across the industry and across the country. It is a major problem, that most don't know about.

What has changed?

Tightening up of health records and driver records, it had better be clean. Go and google it, there is all kinds of information, but it has caused a major driver shortage, and some good drivers can't keep there CDL's any longer which sucks.

I think I will. That's one of my backup plans.

My record is clean outside of a few red light tickets, which dont go on your record.


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Hawg Ass wrote:
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With all of the restrictions in place now by the government, it is harder than ever to get a CDL. This is standard across the industry and across the country. It is a major problem, that most don't know about.

What has changed?

Tightening up of health records and driver records, it had better be clean. Go and google it, there is all kinds of information, but it has caused a major driver shortage, and some good drivers can't keep there CDL's any longer which sucks.



If you have diabetes or high blood pressure, i don't think that you can drive anymore.

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Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.


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As someone with a CDL, fuck driving trucks.And yeah they're tightening up things. At my last DOT physical I said I snored and they forced me to do an overnight sleep study at the hospital. Never making that mistake again.


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Hussra wrote:
Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.

I would be shocked if this happened as fast as you have outlined.

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North Dakota truckers making $97,5K to start and then get a trailer/hut/ etc included in the deal...but you live in ND, nowhere to spend the money you make

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i have an in at iowa waste management. i can start at 50k/yr.

i just dont see any way i can do that every day without driving the truck off a cliff into my blissful death.

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Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.

I would be shocked if this happened as fast as you have outlined.


30 cities by the end of 2016 will have self-driving/drone vehicles making daily deliveries, picking up/dropping off passengers, etc. Give that a year to gestate and people to become comfortable and the HUGE COST SAVINGS to businesses will take care of making the rest happen that quickly.

Basically, if your competitor starts using drone vehicles for deliveries at a substantial cost-savings you have no choice but to do the same. Drivers are expensive and prone to mistakes.

Most ubers will be self-driving cars before 2020. That's why uber landed such a huge valuation.

Self-driving cars aren't just as good as human driven vehicles--they are better. Better + cheaper = gonna happen fast.

I imagine larger delivery vehicles will initially have a nominal "driver" on board as superfluous training wheels while the trucks are guided by software and monitored by "drone pilot" types at a central location.


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Hussra wrote:
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Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.

I would be shocked if this happened as fast as you have outlined.


30 cities by the end of 2016 will have self-driving/drone vehicles making daily deliveries, picking up/dropping off passengers, etc. Give that a year to gestate and people to become comfortable and the HUGE COST SAVINGS to businesses will take care of making the rest happen that quickly.

Basically, if your competitor starts using drone vehicles for deliveries at a substantial cost-savings you have no choice but to do the same. Drivers are expensive and prone to mistakes.

Most ubers will be self-driving cars before 2020. That's why uber landed such a huge valuation.

Self-driving cars aren't just as good as human driven vehicles--they are better. Better + cheaper = gonna happen fast.

I imagine larger delivery vehicles will initially have a nominal "driver" on board as superfluous training wheels while the trucks are guided by software and monitored by "drone pilot" types at a central location.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/15/amazon-cool-to-drone-rules/23473791/


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Hussra wrote:
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Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.

I would be shocked if this happened as fast as you have outlined.


30 cities by the end of 2016 will have self-driving/drone vehicles making daily deliveries, picking up/dropping off passengers, etc. Give that a year to gestate and people to become comfortable and the HUGE COST SAVINGS to businesses will take care of making the rest happen that quickly.

Basically, if your competitor starts using drone vehicles for deliveries at a substantial cost-savings you have no choice but to do the same. Drivers are expensive and prone to mistakes.

Most ubers will be self-driving cars before 2020. That's why uber landed such a huge valuation.

Self-driving cars aren't just as good as human driven vehicles--they are better. Better + cheaper = gonna happen fast.

I imagine larger delivery vehicles will initially have a nominal "driver" on board as superfluous training wheels while the trucks are guided by software and monitored by "drone pilot" types at a central location.

You're outta your mind. The first time a "drone" smacks into and kills a family of 5 they won't even be allowed on the road. Certainly not going to happen in any major metropolitan area and not by 2020.

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Hussra wrote:
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Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.

I would be shocked if this happened as fast as you have outlined.


30 cities by the end of 2016 will have self-driving/drone vehicles making daily deliveries, picking up/dropping off passengers, etc. Give that a year to gestate and people to become comfortable and the HUGE COST SAVINGS to businesses will take care of making the rest happen that quickly.

Basically, if your competitor starts using drone vehicles for deliveries at a substantial cost-savings you have no choice but to do the same. Drivers are expensive and prone to mistakes.

Most ubers will be self-driving cars before 2020. That's why uber landed such a huge valuation.

Self-driving cars aren't just as good as human driven vehicles--they are better. Better + cheaper = gonna happen fast.

I imagine larger delivery vehicles will initially have a nominal "driver" on board as superfluous training wheels while the trucks are guided by software and monitored by "drone pilot" types at a central location.


the DRONE auto thing will not be in the public for a LONG LONG time. No answes for so many driving scenarios that happen enough such as Stop Light outtages and they go blinking and everything is relient upon people. How about "The Wave" in or out of traffic.

The technology will be there to drive a car, but that tech needs to handle every single human element. What about when you have a green light and although you have the right to drive, you see someone trying to make the Yellow/red light...because you see the car coming at a high rate of speed....I could go on and on....but the cars are just not going to be in the public way anytime soon.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Hussra wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Hussra wrote:
Dead end job. Self-driving vehicles being rolled out in 6-10 cities this year, 30+ cities in the US by the end of 2016. Once they establish a track record of safety/reliability and cost-savings, it'll snowball and commercial drivers will be a mostly extinct species by 2020.

I would be shocked if this happened as fast as you have outlined.


30 cities by the end of 2016 will have self-driving/drone vehicles making daily deliveries, picking up/dropping off passengers, etc. Give that a year to gestate and people to become comfortable and the HUGE COST SAVINGS to businesses will take care of making the rest happen that quickly.

Basically, if your competitor starts using drone vehicles for deliveries at a substantial cost-savings you have no choice but to do the same. Drivers are expensive and prone to mistakes.

Most ubers will be self-driving cars before 2020. That's why uber landed such a huge valuation.

Self-driving cars aren't just as good as human driven vehicles--they are better. Better + cheaper = gonna happen fast.

I imagine larger delivery vehicles will initially have a nominal "driver" on board as superfluous training wheels while the trucks are guided by software and monitored by "drone pilot" types at a central location.

You're outta your mind. The first time a "drone" smacks into and kills a family of 5 they won't even be allowed on the road. Certainly not going to happen in any major metropolitan area and not by 2020.

I am also thinking about more long haul stuff too, I don't see that happening.

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I don't know that they'll ever allow large scale air delivery or that it'll be necessary. 'Drone' simply mean "robot vehicle" in general. Airborne or earth-bound.

Interesting that that article notes other countries are already ahead of us in implementing drones for transportation.


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the DRONE auto thing will not be in the public for a LONG LONG time.
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Drone buses are already being used on military bases and on Florida college campuses. They'll be implemented to replace public buses in Seattle and Tampa and several other cities this year.

The roll out to the other cities will be next year.


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The technology will be there to drive a car, but that tech needs to handle every single human element. What about when you have a green light and although you have the right to drive, you see someone trying to make the Yellow/red light...because you see the car coming at a high rate of speed....I could go on and on....but the cars are just not going to be in the public way anytime soon.



Read up on the technology. Self-driving cars use cameras/lasers to detect and respond to other cars/kids/pets/balls whatever in the roadway. Passengers in self-driving cars and other people/things on the road are far safer in a/from self-driving car than a human driven vehicle.


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You're outta your mind. The first time a "drone" smacks into and kills a family of 5 they won't even be allowed on the road. Certainly not going to happen in any major metropolitan area and not by 2020.



Seattle and Tampa don't count as major metropolitan areas? Both will have 70 capacity self-driving buses this year...the technology is way safer than any human driven vehicle.


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Seattle and Tampa don't count as major metropolitan areas?

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Y'all realize that you've all probably ridden in a "self-driving" or drone vehicle and not even realized it? Most commercial flights are flown by software. The pilots are there mostly to keep the stewardesses company on layovers. The button pushes etc that pilots call "flying" could just as easily be kicked off by a drone operator on the ground.

If software can handle a 747 taking off, flying thousands of miles and landing safely, surely software can "piloting" a bus up and down Irving Park.

Quit being scared of the unknown/the future. It's here and it's a good thing.

Unless you're a bus driver or long-haul trucker or cabbie or UPS driver. Then you might want to look for a different line of work.


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Y'all realize that you've all probably ridden in a "self-driving" or drone vehicle and not even realized it? Most commercial flights are flown by software. The pilots are there mostly to keep the stewardesses company on layovers. The button pushes etc that pilots call "flying" could just as easily be kicked off by a drone operator on the ground.

If software can handle a 747 taking off, flying thousands of miles and landing safely, surely it can handle driving a bus up and down Irving Park.

Quit being scared of the unknown/the future. It's here and it's a good thing.

Unless you're a bus driver or long-haul trucker or cabbie or UPS driver. Then you might want to look for a different line of work.

I am fairly certain that on takeoffs and landings the pilots operate the plane, other than that is done thru computers, but yes they are still needed.

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