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If they do, it's not necessary.The software is better at it than the pilots. Software can even respond to most "emergency" type situations encountered while flying.


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Looks like we have an avid TTAC reader in DA' house.


Dunno what that is but...I get the pilot information about the software flying the planes from talking to.....pilots. :lol:

edit: http://www.ttac.org/ ? looks like someone got a jump on the weekend. Image


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Y'all realize that you've all probably ridden in a "self-driving" or drone vehicle and not even realized it? Most commercial flights are flown by software. The pilots are there mostly to keep the stewardesses company on layovers. The button pushes etc that pilots call "flying" could just as easily be kicked off by a drone operator on the ground.

If software can handle a 747 taking off, flying thousands of miles and landing safely, surely it can handle driving a bus up and down Irving Park.

Quit being scared of the unknown/the future. It's here and it's a good thing.

Unless you're a bus driver or long-haul trucker or cabbie or UPS driver. Then you might want to look for a different line of work.

I am fairly certain that on takeoffs and landings the pilots operate the plane, other than that is done thru computers, but yes they are still needed.

And always will be. No way will a commercial airliner ever operate without a pilot. Didnt that Air France crash a few years ago have something to do with the autopilot fucking up?

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as far as i know, outside of Hollywood movies, buses don't have to "take off" or "land". :lol:

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I work in the trucking industry. I was a driver, then trainer, now management...

Self driving trucks are at least 20 years away, though much likely more than that. We dont even talk about it. If this technology was "on the cusp" it'd be all over our radar. Granted we are OTR but even then we'd at least be looking into it. If you want a revolution in the trucking industry it'll be either rail devouring us alive or us eventually going electric once batteries come along enough.

CR England (awful, horrible people) did some of that radar cruise thing last year and they wrecked like 4 of their trial trucks. And that's just a system that maintains a 7 second following distance.


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I work in the trucking industry. I was a driver, then trainer, now management...

Self driving trucks are at least 20 years away, though much likely more than that. We dont even talk about it. If this technology was "on the cusp" it'd be all over our radar. Granted we are OTR but even then we'd at least be looking into it. If you want a revolution in the trucking industry it'll be either rail devouring us alive or us eventually going electric once batteries come along enough.

CR England (awful, horrible people) did some of that radar cruise thing last year and they wrecked like 4 of their trial trucks. And that's just a system that maintains a 7 second following distance.

They are a lot closer to doing that in the rail industry with the PTC technology eliminating both the conductor and engineer( managements wet dream scenario) Of course management is saying its safe technology. Meanwhile oil trains are derailing and blowing up throughout the country. I know Id feel better knowing that 110 car train rolling through my town has no one on it.

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Here's a map showing what cities have "publicly" agreed to implement self-driving public buses over the next year.

Chicago seems like a good candidate (flat terrain with a simple grid layout) but I guess terrain isn't an issue for these drone vehicles.

maybe the unions in chicago are too difficult to deal with on this issue at this point?

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Could you imagine a drone truck driving around Chicago? It would barely move. All the safety software would freak out every time it was cut off (about every 15-20 seconds). It'd never be able to merge because people here are assholes to other people much less job thieving robots, and those aforementioned safety overrides would just sit there waiting for a gap that never materializes.

The dirty little secret of the trucking industry is that for all the preaching about safety this industry relies on drivers pushing the envelope. A computer programmed to avoid everything would never just force its way into a lane when it needed to.


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Could you imagine a drone truck driving around Chicago? It would barely move. All the safety software would freak out every time it was cut off (about every 15-20 seconds). It'd never be able to merge because people here are assholes to other people much less job thieving robots, and those aforementioned safety overrides would just sit there waiting for a gap that never materializes.

The dirty little secret of the trucking industry is that for all the preaching about safety this industry relies on drivers pushing the envelope. A computer programmed to avoid everything would never just force its way into a lane when it needed to.

They'll do anything they can to avoid paying a human to operate it. Safety or efficiency be damned.

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I work in the trucking industry. I was a driver, then trainer, now management...

Self driving trucks are at least 20 years away,



We already have self-flying jumbo jets but self-driving freight trucks are a bridge too far? The freight fleets will be the quickest to convert, once companies decide to convert them. And it will happen by the end of 2020. Cuz it's all about the money. Self-driving freight vehicles will save major dollars on long-hauls. And be a lot safer. Just ask Tracy Morgan. Image


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Hussra is right. His timeline may be a little fast but self driving cars will be considered a public good because of the higher safety ratings associated with them. Special lanes are basically already there in major cities with all the HOV lanes that can be converted to self driving car lanes.

The major issue is bad weather but that can be worked around like we do with airline travel.

At a minimum, we'll have self driving trucks that have a truck driver sitting/sleeping there waiting for the warning message that he needs to take over because conditions aren't worth it. When the truck companies learn that one driver can drive 24 straight hours because the trip through the middle of nowhere in Nebraska can be automated they'll jump all over it.

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I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"


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I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"
Except they already exist.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"
Except they already exist.

Yea and Ford dropped an obscene amount of money developing a car with a nuclear reactor in it because they just knew one day the technology would get there. Ooops.

The Google Car has never seen a public road either. It exists, sure, but its not doing what everyone just assumes it can.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"
Except they already exist.




Maybe it's the centrality of the man-driven automobile in the American experience (inventors of it (sorta), assembly line, etc) that causes people to resist the self-driving car concept.

As rpb's article noted, other countries are ahead of us in implementing these things.

Maybe a self-driving car needs to win the Daytona 500 before Americans will accept them en mass. :D

Anyone who takes a ride in one, they say, is immediately converted. that's where services like uber will come in. a light/low risk way of exposing people to self-driving cars.


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Yea and Ford dropped an obscene amount of money developing a car with a nuclear reactor in it because they just knew one day the technology would get there. Ooops.
It never existed though. Self driving cars exist now. They still need work but they exist.

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The Google Car has never seen a public road either. It exists, sure, but its not doing what everyone just assumes it can.
The have taken self driving cars out that were supervised which is probably the immediate future anyways.

The newest google car I believe is a concept car that isn't street legal yet.

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America wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
America wrote:
I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"
Except they already exist.

Yea and Ford dropped an obscene amount of money developing a car with a nuclear reactor in it because they just knew one day the technology would get there. Ooops.

The Google Car has never seen a public road either. It exists, sure, but its not doing what everyone just assumes it can.


Google self-driving cars drive all over public roads. All the time.

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in 700,000 miles of test driving on public roads, no Google test cars have caused any accidents (even though other cars have hit them and a driver manually moving one rear-ended a Prius), but Urmson still thinks society will have to eventually accept them and the fact there could be failures just like cars today have failures.


http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/d ... /21759099/


interestsing that 'America' is in the trucking industry. It's usually outsiders who come in with new tech to disrupt existing, calcified industries. And often times established industry giants can't see the future very well. Recall AT&T owned the patents for cell phone technology but dumped the tech off to a baby ball cuz they didn't think there'd be a market for mobile phones. :lol: Today there are more active cell phones lines than people on the planet.


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Hussra wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"
Except they already exist.




Maybe it's the centrality of the man-driven automobile in the American experience (inventors of it (sorta), assembly line, etc) that causes people to resist the self-driving car concept.

As rpb's article noted, other countries are ahead of us in implementing these things.

Maybe a self-driving car needs to win the Daytona 500 before Americans will accept them en mass. :D

Anyone who takes a ride in one, they say, is immediately converted. that's where services like uber will come in. a light/low risk way of exposing people to self-driving cars.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... appen.html

It has some major hurdles to jump. 700,000 miles is nothing, also. I did 200,000 in two years by myself.

Also driverless cars dont solve the central problem: we dont have the kind of resources going forward to sustain this model of this little box powered by an engine or motor driving one person around.


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Hussra wrote:
America wrote:
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America wrote:
I think the self driving car is our generation's technological folly that gets laughed at 50 years from now. "THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO THAT? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING HAHAHAHA"
Except they already exist.

Yea and Ford dropped an obscene amount of money developing a car with a nuclear reactor in it because they just knew one day the technology would get there. Ooops.

The Google Car has never seen a public road either. It exists, sure, but its not doing what everyone just assumes it can.


Google self-driving cars drive all over public roads. All the time.

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in 700,000 miles of test driving on public roads, no Google test cars have caused any accidents (even though other cars have hit them and a driver manually moving one rear-ended a Prius), but Urmson still thinks society will have to eventually accept them and the fact there could be failures just like cars today have failures.


http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/d ... /21759099/


interestsing that 'America' is in the trucking industry. It's usually outsiders who come in with new tech to disrupt existing, calcified industries. And often times established industry giants can't see the future very well. Recall AT&T owned the patents for cell phone technology but dumped the tech off to a baby ball cuz they didn't think there'd be a market for mobile phones. :lol: Today there are more active cell phones lines than people on the planet.

Oh god you use the word disrupt. That's a bad look, guy.

By California state law the 2 seat bubble isn't allowed on public roads because it doesnt have a steering wheel. That's the Google Car, the others' are just Prius' with all the tech strapped on them. So unless Google is flat out breaking the law in CA that car hasn't stepped foot on a public road.


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well, they'll be running bus routes in a couple dozen major cities in the next year. Granted,it's likely dead easy to program a self-driving bus to tool up and down Harlem avenue on a predetermined route. But it's a start. And programming Uber cars to handle navigating the streets of chicago should similarly be a no-brainer for this software.

I have a feeling 'America' will be riding around in self-driving buses/cars/trucks (like the self-driving airplane he's no doubt ridden on) and still doubt that they'll happen.


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well, they'll be running bus routes in a couple dozen major cities in the next year. Granted,it's likely dead easy to program a self-driving bus to tool up and down Harlem avenue on a predetermined route. But it's a start. And programming Uber cars to handle navigating the streets of chicago should similarly be a no-brainer for this software.

I have a feeling 'America' will be riding around in self-driving buses/cars/trucks (like the self-driving airplane he's no doubt ridden on) and still doubt that they'll happen.

You may be gullible enough to write for Forbes. We cant even program trains to run driverless yet. Fucking trains, they cant even turn.


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Read the article. They build the google cars in Michigan (ya know, where the auto companies are) and drive them all around Michigan. Image

Jeez, you really hate the future. luckily for the rest of us, the future will happen with or without your approval.


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"Platooning" is how I think you'll see both drone trucks and drone cars initially take to the interstates in the U.S.

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UBER's first self-driving fleet arrives in Pittsburgh this month:

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In Pittsburgh, customers will request cars the normal way, via Uber’s app, and will be paired with a driverless car at random. Trips will be free for the time being, rather than the standard local rate of $1.30 per mile. In the long run, Kalanick says, prices will fall so low that the per-mile cost of travel, even for long trips in rural areas, will be cheaper in a driverless Uber than in a private car. “That could be seen as a threat,” says Volvo Cars CEO Hakan Samuelsson. “We see it as an opportunity.”


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well, they'll be running bus routes in a couple dozen major cities in the next year. Granted,it's likely dead easy to program a self-driving bus to tool up and down Harlem avenue on a predetermined route. But it's a start. And programming Uber cars to handle navigating the streets of chicago should similarly be a no-brainer for this software.

I have a feeling 'America' will be riding around in self-driving buses/cars/trucks (like the self-driving airplane he's no doubt ridden on) and still doubt that they'll happen.

You may be gullible enough to write for Forbes. We cant even program trains to run driverless yet. Fucking trains, they cant even turn.


You have to be incredibly naive to think that computers can't handle driving and do so better than humans in the near future.

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well, they'll be running bus routes in a couple dozen major cities in the next year. Granted,it's likely dead easy to program a self-driving bus to tool up and down Harlem avenue on a predetermined route. But it's a start. And programming Uber cars to handle navigating the streets of chicago should similarly be a no-brainer for this software.

I have a feeling 'America' will be riding around in self-driving buses/cars/trucks (like the self-driving airplane he's no doubt ridden on) and still doubt that they'll happen.

You may be gullible enough to write for Forbes. We cant even program trains to run driverless yet. Fucking trains, they cant even turn.


You have to be incredibly naive to think that computers can't handle driving and do so better than humans in the near future.

There is a long way to go.

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(1)this doesn't sound to encouraging--like the ED-209's inability to navigate stairs in RoboCop.

(2) then why pilot in a town with "3 rivers" and dozens of bridges? I guess cuz Carnegie Mellon and the tech know-how, and maybe they want to work out the bridge-kink asap, but still.

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On a recent weekday test drive, the safety drivers were still an essential part of the experience, as Uber’s autonomous car briefly turned un-autonomous, while crossing the Allegheny River. A chime sounded, a signal to the driver to take the wheel. A second ding a few seconds later indicated that the car was back under computer control. “Bridges are really hard,” Krikorian says. “And there are like 500 bridges in Pittsburgh.”

Bridges are hard in part because of the way that Uber’s system works. Over the past year and a half, the company has been creating extremely detailed maps that include not just roads and lane markings, but also buildings, potholes, parked cars, fire hydrants, traffic lights, trees, and anything else on Pittsburgh's streets. As the car moves, it collects data, and then using a large, liquid-cooled computer in the trunk, it compares what it sees with the preexisting maps to identify (and avoid) pedestrians, cyclists, stray dogs, and anything else. Bridges, unlike normal streets, offer few environmental cues—there are no buildings, for instance—making it hard for the car to figure out exactly where it is. Uber cars have Global Positioning System sensors, but those are only accurate within about 10 feet; Uber’s systems strive for accuracy down to the inch.


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Hussra wrote:
well, they'll be running bus routes in a couple dozen major cities in the next year. Granted,it's likely dead easy to program a self-driving bus to tool up and down Harlem avenue on a predetermined route. But it's a start. And programming Uber cars to handle navigating the streets of chicago should similarly be a no-brainer for this software.

I have a feeling 'America' will be riding around in self-driving buses/cars/trucks (like the self-driving airplane he's no doubt ridden on) and still doubt that they'll happen.

You may be gullible enough to write for Forbes. We cant even program trains to run driverless yet. Fucking trains, they cant even turn.


You have to be incredibly naive to think that computers can't handle driving and do so better than humans in the near future.

There is a long way to go.


Not like there used to be. Computers can figure things out exponentially faster than we can.

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This tech is still a few years away. They better not screw this up by scaring people.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
IMU wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
America wrote:
Hussra wrote:
well, they'll be running bus routes in a couple dozen major cities in the next year. Granted,it's likely dead easy to program a self-driving bus to tool up and down Harlem avenue on a predetermined route. But it's a start. And programming Uber cars to handle navigating the streets of chicago should similarly be a no-brainer for this software.

I have a feeling 'America' will be riding around in self-driving buses/cars/trucks (like the self-driving airplane he's no doubt ridden on) and still doubt that they'll happen.

You may be gullible enough to write for Forbes. We cant even program trains to run driverless yet. Fucking trains, they cant even turn.


You have to be incredibly naive to think that computers can't handle driving and do so better than humans in the near future.

There is a long way to go.


Not like there used to be. Computers can figure things out exponentially faster than we can.

Except how to account for and respond to even the slightest hiccup in flowing traffic or inclement weather conditions.

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