I have heard this excuse for Adam Dunn the last 5 years. I am unimpressed.

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His swing has been compared to Gary Sheffield's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqpuDvL_FfU

We'll see if he can figure out a way to make contact consistently enough.

Adam Dunn hasnt been near that OPS level for the last 5 years. Last time he was (2010) he got MVP votes.

That's what some people were saying while he was receiving that insane amount of hype.

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Respond.

Baez, Adam Dunn, Gary Sheffield, Mark Reynolds, Dan Uggla.

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Respond.

Ok, it passed. Good luck to Mr. Baez. Should be interesting.

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I dont know what your ugre is.

The Baez Sheffield comparison has been made so many times, Im surprised you didnt know about it. The bat speed has been spoken about at length. You referenced it in this thread.

Dan Uggla (few good years and then eventually not even guaranteed to make a roster) is my hope for Baez. I think that's pretty reasonable.

We are actually going to pretend that a guy who's OBP was in the .220's and only hit 9 HR in 220 PA is billed for an .850 OPS next year.

Sheffield was like the greatest HR/K guy in modern history. So yeah, if Baez can become that, I'm sure he'll be pretty good.

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Billed?

I think that's the high end of what IMU hopes for him and not necessarily next year.


I was correcting PittMike's factually incorrect statement.

Their swings are remarkably similar and both have a lot of power. That is the end of the comparison.


Kinda like how Keyser said Chris Sale has a motion similar to Randy Johnson.

I made what I consider to be a reasonable opinion on him and the response was that he has the swing of Gary Sheffield.

Now, I ask, do you think he will be Gary Sheffield?, and of course you say no, he won't be, and then I just have to wonder why the Gary Sheffield comparison was valid at all. That is why I was resisting the urge.

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You said there is a reason MLBers dont swing like that. I gave you an example of a guy with a swing like that who made it work.

Pretty simple stuff. Did you click on the video link that showed how insanely similar their swings are?

Also, the response wasnt Sheffield. The response was Dan Uggla, Mark Reynolds, and Adam Dunn. All guys who hit a lot of homeruns but eventually struck out too much for it to matter.

Ive been saying he's destined to be Uggla for over a year now. If you dont understand how far away from Sheffield that is, than I dont know what to tell you.

I wasn't focused on trying to find a counterpoint. I'm not JORR that will argue just to argue. I was clarifying that Baez could still be successful in Cubs fans eyes even if he doesn't change his approach, as long as the results are acceptable.

I would be less happy if he strikes out only 40 times a season if that leads to a .280 average and a .650 OPS.

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Well, Gary Sheffield isn't a MLB player any more, and I'm not sure one anomaly is really a counter argument. I'm not going to say that Abreu could be good until his 40s because Barry Bonds was.

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So if he has good results then he'll be good?

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Like, IMU, I wasnt going into the post thinking "How can I disagree with Rick?"

I was just adding that it's possible to make swings like that work. Your statement seemed to suggest its impossible.

I'll give you Micah Johnson for him. Even toss in Matt Davidson.

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No, he has to be good for 10 years. If he's good for only 5 then Theo is a failure according to some people.

Sports discussion is really this simple. You and I have figured it out. We're waiting for the board to catch up.

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Nothing is impossible.

I just don't see a guy who makes a living on having a "unique" swing fixing his issues by changing that swing.

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Yup. Clash of Clans has brought us all together.

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I agree. He either makes it work with his current swing or he's in trouble

no one is saying he will be Sheffield. They are saying his swing is similar. Not hard to understand.

Did Sheffield have issues with strikeouts at all when he was in the minors or first called up?

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Thanks, I didn't think so.

Has there been an example of a guy who came up and struggled with strikeouts and was able to make improvements and get them to an acceptable rate?

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Gary Sheffield isn't really a counter to the argument that his swing as constituted now won't work though unless you think it is relevant.

I'm sure there are similarities between Kyle Schwarber and Mike Piazza too but that doesn't mean he is a response to any questions of Schwarber.

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I don't think there's ever been anybody as bad as what he showed last year. though this is a different era with regard to striking out.

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Rick, you said "there is a reason MLBers dont swing like that"

I pointed out that its possible to swing like that and be successful in MLB


Nothing more than that.

Um ok.

Don't really get where any of that is what people are saying.

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rpb just said that swing can be successful in MLB because Gary Sheffield did it.

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