hazing YES

binge drinking no

rape Not even close...as a guy who lived in a coed dorm at dePaul and a frat at Arizona....had many more issues in the dorm

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Except that you are the poster child for doing this across the board, and have been for years?

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The fraternity system is designed to foster an environment that makes it easier to accomplish and be hidden from public view. They live in a self made bubble and even have special relationships with the university that other organizations and people don't have.

The things the frat guys got away with would have gotten anyone else on campus arrested, kicked off university property, or even kicked out of the university.

If fraternities are just like any other organization why do they operate under a different set of rules than any other campus organization?

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It sounds like you just described athletic departments too.

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Yup. Your point?

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Nothing at all, just that it is not just frats that may get some special treatment.

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They do though, even more than the athletic department.

It really comes down to what frats get away with in terms of housing. Athletes live in the dorms or off campus.

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things that need to be banned/repealed/what have you:

1. Daylight Savings Time
2. Fraternities
3. Tipping
4. Lack of changing tables in Men's rooms.
5. Cops shooting black guys on the daily

That's your personal experience. Im not sure that's true overall. In fact, Im pretty sure its not.

Athletes have their own housing on campuses. I think they both need to be cleaned up but to say it is going away I just don't believe it is factual.

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Indiana was supposedly a "dry campus". Yet, the fraternities that were on campus all somehow held parties. Great raging keggers or pledges whose only job was to open cans and pour for you.

Pretty much the set up is sororities were dry or people were allowed personal stashes. But the hardcore binge drinking was done at fraternities. Who cares if there place gets trashed since they had pledges stay up past 4am cleaning up.

My personal EXPERIENCE v Your estimates, thus making your claims "in fact' correct. How can I argue that.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

The tailgates at IU were another great example. The Greek system had their own section that was nuts. They had pledges get there at 5am to reserve their spots and they'd pull up with 50+ cases and bottles of cheap liquor. Students also tailgated and drank heavily but it's different between a group of 10 huddled around the car versus 1,000. Competition and disagreements are a little more prevalent.

The year after I graduated they banned hard liquor in the Greek area. I'm sure it was because they were littering.

bigfan you're full of shit.

They do?

Not at my school or any school I know of.

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That's a valid point. You cant eliminate ALL of it. It does seem like frats have a lot of those issues, though.

And like I said, there are great aspects of The Greek Life, but the negatives might outweigh the positives.[/quote]

I'd like to know the great aspects.

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Yeah. It was nuts.

At Purdue, the frats would even be open about what they could do and the university or the cops couldn't touch them. There were all these weird rules even though it was technically university property.

One fraternity built a 10 foot high wall directly across from the engineering mall every year. It was insane. The frat ran out of money and eventually folded though.

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I have personal experience too. The place I hung out at was an underground frat. Eventually I found out what they got kicked off campus for. Guess what it was?

I just didnt share it because it's just that, personal experience, not an overall description of the situation

Here are two articles citing three different studies (linked in articles) showing that frat guys are three times as likely to rape.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/rape-sexual-assault-ban-frats

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/opinion/foubert-fraternities-rape/

I'd like to know the great aspects.[/quote]
Should ask all the experts that were not in frats but know all about them.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

is it "The Frat" "The Guy" or just the fact a bunch of 18 and 19 year old guys have a house and are throwing a party???? Maybe thats it?

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Should ask all the experts that were not in frats but know all about them.[/quote]
You shouldn't assume someone was never involved with a frat just because they dont beat their chest in favor of them.

We played the "Underground Frat" in basketball and kicked their asses.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

The studies Ive found indicate it's The Frat

So, at DePaul, where they have frats that dont have houses....all these guys are more likely to be a rapist?

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

You've never heard of athletic teams having their own "separate" housing for members of their team? I find that hard to believe.

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No, that's not how it works.

Its not saying, every frat member is more likely to rape. Its an average of rapes.


Anyway, Ive supported my position with studies, facts, and added some personal experience. Hope that's enough for you.

The NCAA got rid of all athletic dorms in 1996.

At Purdue, they stayed in the dorms with other students or lived off campus and got reimbursed for it.

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It was hard to see anything over that 10ft high fence

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Instead of being bitchy you could list them.

I'll help you out:
brotherhood (friends for life)
charitable events

Here's what they really meant:
great parties
great relationship with x and y sorority
test bank!

Your "STUDIES" say Frat Guys are 300% more likely to rape.

Seems pretty simple in 'Thats how it works" and hanging at an "underground frat" places you at some dudes house drinking beers with the lights off. You even admit you didnt know it was a Frat?

Not in any denial that there is binge drinking or rapes at these frats, but the thought that its because its a GREEK system or a frat is naive. Its 18 and 19 year olds being idiots and the envrionment of the party creates the environment for this to happen. Its an environment that would happen if it was or wasnt a FRAT. Close the frats and someone will buy the building, reopen it and a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds will move in, they will have big parties and people will binge drink and rapes will happen.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

TEST BANK....lol...

There hasnt been a test bank in a frat in 30 years.

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