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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:56 pm 
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Honest, serious question.

1. Lester
All right. Nice start. Bonafide #1. Ace.

2. Arrieta
aka The Most Dominant Starter in Chicago, though it may have changed since the Lester signing. 28 year old with an injury history and penchant for completely losing control is prime candidate numero uno for falling apart. Which would be an OK risk to take if he was pegged for #4 or maybe even #3...but nah he's the #2. It isn't good.

3. Hammel
Mediocre. On last years overachieving, overrated A's team he was barely in the mix. That's your #3. The #3 pitcher is leftover scraps.

4. Kyle Hendricks
Can barely throw over 90 mph. For every soft tossing control guy who's made it there are 30 who turn into tee-ball stands. Hey, if you're fake-going-for-it this year you can put him at #5 but, I mean, it'd be hard to be worse than the guy who occupies it now.

5. Edwin Jackson
An actual corpse.

or

Travis Wood
Another corpse. Its funny because the Cubs #2 is basically Travis Wood, but not at the 'bad part' yet.

or

Tsuyoshi Wada
Probably the best option, not that its a particularly good one.


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Lol at #5.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:12 pm 
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Bullpen is solid. Hendricks is a pitcher, not a thrower so a solid #4. Agreed Hammel is not a 3, but a good 4/5.

Overall a good staff but they need 1 more stud SP which should arrive either at the trade deadline this year or in the off season via free agency.


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cpguy wrote:
Bullpen is solid. Hendricks is a pitcher, not a thrower so a solid #4. Agreed Hammel is not a 3, but a good 4/5.

Overall a good staff but they need 1 more stud SP which should arrive either at the trade deadline this year or in the off season via free agency.

This cpguy gets it. Solid staff right now sans EJax. He will be in pen or gone. Answer may be in house,minors,or trade. I will take it.


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Scooter wrote:
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Bullpen is solid. Hendricks is a pitcher, not a thrower so a solid #4. Agreed Hammel is not a 3, but a good 4/5.

Overall a good staff but they need 1 more stud SP which should arrive either at the trade deadline this year or in the off season via free agency.

This cpguy gets it. Solid staff right now sans EJax. He will be in pen or gone. Answer may be in house,minors,or trade. I will take it.

Ejax won't be anywhere near this team. The answer either lies in the trade deadline or next years FA class. Not in the system.

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PcB wrote:
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Bullpen is solid. Hendricks is a pitcher, not a thrower so a solid #4. Agreed Hammel is not a 3, but a good 4/5.

Overall a good staff but they need 1 more stud SP which should arrive either at the trade deadline this year or in the off season via free agency.

This cpguy gets it. Solid staff right now sans EJax. He will be in pen or gone. Answer may be in house,minors,or trade. I will take it.

Ejax won't be anywhere near this team. The answer either lies in the trade deadline or next years FA class. Not in the system.

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Could be good, could be bad, just like every other MLB team.

The appreciation of Hammel is strange. He was a guy they took a flier on as a #5 last year. Half a good season later he is being talked about as a good middle of the rotation guy.

I love Lester and that was a perfect signing (other than years).

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It all hinges on Arietta and Hendricks, imo


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Lester, Ariata, Hendrix and Wada is a GOOD Pitching staff....thats why people say its a GOOD Staff.

Its not a great staff, its just good

Any other Master of the Obvious questions for us,?

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Lester is a legit top of the rotation guy and Arrietta is better. Hendricks is a legit #3 even though he may be slated for the 4th spot in the rotation. Wada is pretty good and I think Wood will be more like he was in 2013 and less like 2014. If they can get anywhere around .500 from Hammel, they should be in good shape. Jackson will be dealt if at all possible and released if not. The bullpen should be a strength, so yeah, it's a good staff.

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Hendricks is not a legit #3. He's a thumber. The league eventually catches up to thumbers.


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Hendricks is not a legit #3. He's a thumber. The league eventually catches up to thumbers.

Just let me know when? They didnt catch up in the minors, thats why he was promoted, he pitched brilliant last year and so far has been fine.

Dont tell me a guy nobody considered last year at this time as a MLB player who is now the #3 pitcher has a chance to fail.

all star break? if he is Sub 4.00 is that good enough?

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I won't have to let you know when. You're going to be able to figure this one out all by yourself.


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what year does the lester contract start getting viewed for being as bad as soriano's did? or perhaps a better question, anything short of a championship will make lester's last 3 years look like the soriano deal bad


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bigfan wrote:
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Hendricks is not a legit #3. He's a thumber. The league eventually catches up to thumbers.

Just let me know when? They didnt catch up in the minors, thats why he was promoted, he pitched brilliant last year and so far has been fine.

Dont tell me a guy nobody considered last year at this time as a MLB player who is now the #3 pitcher has a chance to fail.

all star break? if he is Sub 4.00 is that good enough?


Minimally sub 4.00 in the the MLB is below average, let alone in the light-hitting NL. you have to go all the way down to the 22nd ranked pitching staff in alll of MLB (Jays) to find a staff with a collective average era of 4.00+ last season. Only 2 NL teams were worse pitching than the Cubs in 2014....dropping Jay Lester on top of a pile of crap doesn't make the pile of crap any less crappy:


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While the Cubs have starting pitching depth in the sense that there are capable bodies, it doesn’t mean that they are good. Jason Hammel’s outlier was the 17 starts he made with the Cubs. For his career, Hammel has a 4.60 ERA, a 4.27 FIP, and a 4.12 xFIP. Those numbers would all be well below average in the light-hitting National League. Hammel is probably more like a 3.75 ERA guy with a FIP somewhere in the low 4.00 range. That’s not middle of the rotation caliber in the NL.

Travis Wood made 31 starts, which is all well and good because innings are important, but he posted a 5.03 ERA, a 4.38 FIP, and a 4.51 xFIP. That’s not good. In any league. Kyle Hendricks posted a 7-2 record with a 2.46 over 13 starts covering 80 innings, but he’s a major regression candidate in year two. He had a low strikeout rate and a lot of batted ball luck, including a low rate of home runs allowed. He had a 3.32 FIP because of the low walk rate but a 3.92 xFIP. He might be around league average, but he probably needs to be better than that given the uncertainty surrounding Hammel.


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I guess trading your #1 and #3 starter in the middle of the season doesnt have an effect on a team's ERA.

I would even go as far as saying removing E Jackson would have had a bigger positive effect, but they kept bringing him out in hopes the guy creating some kind of worth to be traded.

Do you believe the staff could have a team ERA that places them right in the middle of NL teams this year? If so, that would be good. Not very good, not great, no bad, but just good.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
I won't have to let you know when. You're going to be able to figure this one out all by yourself.

I dunno. Not sure he is that smart.

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I guess trading your #1 and #3 starter in the middle of the season doesnt have an effect on a team's ERA.

I would even go as far as saying removing E Jackson would have had a bigger positive effect, but they kept bringing him out in hopes the guy creating some kind of worth to be traded.

Do you believe the staff could have a team ERA that places them right in the middle of NL teams this year? If so, that would be good. Not very good, not great, no bad, but just good.

Sox fans will be unable to figure this out. They think Shark is a top of the rotation starter when he is not. But he grew up a Sox fan so that makes it okay


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Hendricks is not a legit #3. He's a thumber. The league eventually catches up to thumbers.


He ain't no ERIK JOHNSON

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No hitter through 7 today

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spanky wrote:
No hitter through 7 today

My bad.

PERFECT GAME through 7 :wink:

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bigfan wrote:

Do you believe the staff could have a team ERA that places them right in the middle of NL teams this year? If so, that would be good. Not very good, not great, no bad, but just good.


Teams firstly and mostly need to worry about other teams in their division.

Staff ERAs for the NL Central for the last month of the season (to filter out traded players):

Staff ERA 2014 (September)
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Bucs 2.49 (1st - rank in MLB)
Card 2.55 (3rd)
Brew 3.14 (8th)
Reds 4.12 (24th)
Cubs 4.62 (29th)

Hey, at least they weren't as bad as the Twins.

I'd suggest using a common core number line to find middle of the pack in those numbers. :D


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spanky wrote:
No hitter through 7 today

but he thumbed it, so its not really good....

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Very clear the Cubs are winning the cactus league. Such a great acomplishment!

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Very clear the Cubs are winning the cactus league. Such a great acomplishment!

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Cubs starters have allowed 0 ER over the last four games (17 IP)

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Cubs starters have allowed 0 ER over the last four games (17 IP)


Let's not forget the gold glove type defense being played behind them. Have you seen 2nd sacker La Stella manning the hot corner. Guy is unbelievable. He's grinding out ground balls hit his way. We fleeced the Braves. We fleeced them. No more of getting back the likes of Ruben Quevedo and Micah Bowie from Atlanta. We're the John Schuerholz now.

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Matches Malone wrote:
spanky wrote:
Cubs starters have allowed 0 ER over the last four games (17 IP)


Let's not forget the gold glove type defense being played behind them. Have you seen 2nd sacker LeStella manning the hot corner. Guy is unbelievable. He's grinding out ground balls hit his way. We fleeced the Braves. We fleeced them. No more of getting back the likes of Ruben Quevedo and Micah Bowie from Atlanta. We're the John Schuerholz now.


or Arodys Vizcaino

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Matches Malone wrote:
spanky wrote:
Cubs starters have allowed 0 ER over the last four games (17 IP)


Let's not forget the gold glove type defense being played behind them. Have you seen 2nd sacker LeStella manning the hot corner. Guy is unbelievable. He's grinding out ground balls hit his way. We fleeced the Braves. We fleeced them. No more of getting back the likes of Ruben Quevedo and Micah Bowie from Atlanta. We're the John Schuerholz now.


or Arodys Vizcaino


Vizcaino was ground work my friend. We wanted La Stella all along. Wait till we're through with Dave Stewart and Amaro Jr. It'll be even better than the time you celebrated the fleecing of Gord Ash.


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