...and send Bryant down to AAA. Sure, they can twist it with statements about defense but the guy has clearly won the job.

It's also disingenuous to talk about future signability while talking about the projected revenue available when this guy would actually become a free agent.

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Same as Rondon as Sox. Next thread.

Rodon has not won a job as evidenced by his work in the last outing.

In addition, you have dismissed the consideration of anticipated revenue.

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One start does not equal a resume. You must include his work from last year along with comments praising his stuff and poise all winter and spring from management.

Fact is, Sox are going all in this year. Shark is just a 1 year rental as he'll be wearing blue pinstripes next year, Abreu will exiting his prime entering as he turns 35 and Avi shows he looks like Tarzan but produces like Jane. Sale is already injured and will be out two weeks. That doesn't factor his yearly arm injury...err...I mean resting period of 2-3 weeks. Acclimating Rondon to major league hitting as soon as possible should be a priority.

The stashing of Rondon is an assault to the sanctity of competition. I would be very embarrassed to be a Sox fan once the decisoin becomes official.

His work from last year sank him from the #1 pick to the #3 pick

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his minor league production was universally praised.

his fall was primarily a result of his choice of representation. the two teams picking ahead of the white sox, astros and marlins, are known to be miserly.

wrong

His minor league production is constituted of about 60 days of work.

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to purposely waste rondon's finite quantity of bullets on minor league at-bats instead of major league at-bats before his arm blows out is irresponsible. all to save a couple of sheckles when everything is subsidized by taxpayers anyways.

Yawn

Well, as of March 16th, Mike Olt has won a job as well then. So, what do you do?

Well, the logical plan is to get Bryant some work in LF. And this is better done in AAA.

A good problem with an easy solution. I love it. And the bonus...one more year of control on Bryant.

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rodon won't be in the minors nearly as long as Bryant was forced to be.

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I get not calling him up for the first 2 weeks. That's fine.

I don't get doing that 2 month thing so you get an extra year of control. 6 instead of 7. Because in year 7, if he still doesn't have a long term contract he'll go to arbitration. If he's great, he'll get 30 million for that year. Or higher if the going rate for stars is higher.

So your not saving money. If you sign him after year 6 he'll average 30 million per year. Or something like that.

I guess it matters if you don't think you'll sign him. You get one more year of him before he goes. But the Cubs are gonna be flush with money. THEY WILL SIGN HIM IF HE'S A STAR.

Do you think Carlos Rodon will be better or worse than Ted Lilly?

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all well and good, but don't tell me you are trying to win today

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Why is it ok for two weeks?

There is no two months thing.

Its like 3 weeks in the minors if the idea is to prevent him from getting the service time this year.

I believe there are two deadlines. One is for the arbitration year and one is for Super 2 status. I don't know exactly how it works.


"For all of the talk about Super Two status, as it relates to calling up prospects, there is still a ton of uncertainty about what this means in a tangible manner. Putting it simply, when a player finishes a season between two and three years of service time, he can qualify for an extra year of arbitration if he is within the top 22 percent of players in that range. This means that whether a player called up this season will qualify for Super Two status will not be known until after the 2015 season. Essentially, teams are just guessing (in an educated manner) what that deadline will be three years down the road.

Since this is going to be the second year of the new CBA, which moved the cut off from 17 percent to 22 percent, we only have one year of data to go off of in order to get an idea of the timing mechanism. On June 8, 2010, Stephen Strasburg and Giancarlo Stanton both made their major-league debuts and have accumulated service time every day since. Both superstars missed the Super Two cut-off by about a week of service time (they each had 2.118 years and the cutoff was 2.139 years). Which means that if the 2015 cutoff is the same as the one from 2012, guys like Wil Myers and Zack Wheeler could come up tomorrow without their teams having to worry about that pesky extra year of arbitration eligibility."

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Dan just told me cubs brass is right.

Case closed.

They are right from a business standpoint. They are lying through their teeth if they say it makes them a better team on April 1.

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I highly doubt he will have as good a career as Lilly did, but he's starting off with more capablity to dominate hitters than Lilly ever had.

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At least you hate all prospects equally.

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Bernstein wins again.

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it's pretty simple, although no one wants to agree with me...if they're smart, they're WAITING TILL 2016 TO COMPETE.

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The type of criticism outlined in this post, among many others on this board, reminds me of this famous quote:


"If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read: 'President Can't Swim.'

Lyndon B. Johnson"

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Well, success can be defined a lot of different ways depending on the player, the team you root for, and the circumstances.

For example, I'm sure Mark Prior was a major disappointment and somebody most Cub fans want to forget. But let's say he had exactly the career that he had, did exactly what he did, but the Cubs won the World Series in '03 and lost in the NLCS in '04. He would be remembered a lot differently.

Or take the '05 White Sox. If they get caught by Cleveland and don't make the playoffs, I probably wouldn't think of Bobby Jenks any differently than I think of Bob James.

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Wait, what?

No way.

Cubs fans wish he could have stayed healthy and been able to contribute to the Cubs for an entire 10+ year career. He was fantastic to watch. I remember those 2003 and 2004 rotations extremely fondly. The Cubs were dominant, and Kerry Wood and Mark Prior anchored those rotations.

I don't want to forget that. I wish the period of dominance lasted longer so I'd have more memories of it, not less.

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yeah, I'll second that "I don't think Prior is somebody I want to forget". That 2003 run was the best Cubs run so far.

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No, Super 2 and arbitration are the same endpoint...when a player is eligible.

It ends up being one important date in between, where the team is past the full year arbitration date but safely after being in the top 22%

But health is part of a player. Isn't that why people are constantly bashing Derrick Rose? I don't think you can say that Prior had anything but a disappointing career in spite of his brilliance in '03. Now he's just a "what could have been" guy. They win in '03, he's an all-time Cub hero without doing anything different on the field at all. Perception is reality.

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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

To put Wood and Prior in the same sentence is a disservice to Prior.


Wood was never close Prior's level.

Wood was a decent strikeout pitcher who sometimes looked like Roger Clemens


Prior was Pedro2000, when healthy


And the Marcus Giles injury was not the issue. He was back to Pedro2000 in 2005 until the Brad Hawpe line drive. THAT was the knockout blow.


Also, Prior isnt a redneck.


Wood was more of a team guy and more likeable though

Prior didn't pitch the best game of all time.

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