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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:17 pm 
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The first day that Bryant can come up so the Cubs can gain the extra day of control is 4/18. That would be the 11th game of the season, Rain outs do not matter because the clock is based on the last day of the MLB season. Sunday Oct. 4th. The Cubs season clock starts on 4/5.

Theo/Jed seem to bring guys up ion the road and the 4/18 is a home game against San Diego. They may wait until 4/20 at Pittsburgh the 13th game and I am sure PITTMIKE will be there to give us his scouting report.

Super two is for the first 22% of players called up and who continue to accrue service time (be on the 25 man roster or DL). during the 2015 season.

The Sox could call up Rodon as a fifth starter on the day he is needed and then send him down and will have just one day of service time. The Sox. So his 6+ year clock would start when ever he is called up during 2015. The only risk is if he gets hurt during that game and has to go on the DL all those days would count.

If you wait long enough into 2015 you just put off arbtration until the thrid season instead of the second (super two) year..

There are a few more subtlties to it but this is the easiest way to look at it.


I would go but I'm going to two sox games here in June. jorr wouldn't let me be a real so. Fan if I didn't

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The Sox could call up Rodon as a fifth starter on the day he is needed and then send him down and will have just one day of service time.


Is there a way baseball teams could do a version of Blackhawks' Rockford Shuffle where a pitcher is only up for his start and then he gets optioned back down while some Quadruple-A scrub occupies a spot on the bench for the other days? Would the union stop this? Is a Really Smrt Team already doing this?
Most of the time a 5th starter isn't needed until about 12-15 games in because of the off days early in the season. The earliest the Sox could possibly need a 5th start would be April 22nd. With a rain/snow/cold out they could even use one later, and with Chris Sale missing a start or two he could be your "5th" starter in terms of a pitcher who is actually called up.

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I would go but I'm going to two sox games here in June. jorr wouldn't let me be a real so. Fan if I didn't


You drinking already? The typing seems slurred.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:21 pm 
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I would go but I'm going to two sox games here in June. jorr wouldn't let me be a real so. Fan if I didn't


You drinking already? The typing seems slurred.


Lol bumpy bus ride with iPhone. Sox fan was intended.

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For example, I'm sure Mark Prior was a major disappointment and somebody most Cub fans want to forget.

Wait, what?

No way.

Cubs fans wish he could have stayed healthy and been able to contribute to the Cubs for an entire 10+ year career. He was fantastic to watch. I remember those 2003 and 2004 rotations extremely fondly. The Cubs were dominant, and Kerry Wood and Mark Prior anchored those rotations.

I don't want to forget that. I wish the period of dominance lasted longer so I'd have more memories of it, not less.


What is your favorite memory from Mark Prior's 2004 season, when he pitched 118 innings, won 6 games and posted an ERA of 4.02?

The comeback game where he was perfect for 5 innings.

The 16 strikeout-9ip game against the Reds in the last week when he was trying to stop the choke but couldnt.


I think you missed the point of my question.

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
The Sox could call up Rodon as a fifth starter on the day he is needed and then send him down and will have just one day of service time.


Is there a way baseball teams could do a version of Blackhawks' Rockford Shuffle where a pitcher is only up for his start and then he gets optioned back down while some Quadruple-A scrub occupies a spot on the bench for the other days? Would the union stop this? Is a Really Smrt Team already doing this?

The union would get very pissed, very quickly. $20 says Theo tries it this year,the union puts a stop to it immediately and Cubs fans everywhere complain about the world being out to get them.


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Kerry Wood was maybe the greatest pitcher in major league history. Obviously we'll never know but he had a 12.5 K/9 in the heart of the steroid era as a teenager. I mean, the stats dont really matter with him that much because you can watch and just know.

Prior never got your imagination going the way Wood did.

*I know he wasn't a teenager

Your imagination must be a lot different than mine.

I was projecting Prior every time he threw a pitch.

The way he pitched was awesome. Pedro meets Maddux.

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Goodnight

Kerry Wood would throw (and I mean throw) pitches that defied what people thought was possible. I watch that game against the Astros sometimes for yucks, that has never happened before and will never happen again. His shit went backwards.


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America wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
Kerry Wood was maybe the greatest pitcher in major league history. Obviously we'll never know but he had a 12.5 K/9 in the heart of the steroid era as a teenager. I mean, the stats dont really matter with him that much because you can watch and just know.

Prior never got your imagination going the way Wood did.

*I know he wasn't a teenager

Your imagination must be a lot different than mine.

I was projecting Prior every time he threw a pitch.

The way he pitched was awesome. Pedro meets Maddux.

96 outside on the black
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Goodnight

Kerry Wood would throw (and I mean throw) pitches that defied what people thought was possible. I watch that game against the Astros sometimes for yucks, that has never happened before and will never happen again. His shit went backwards.



Yeah, I watch that game for yucks sometimes too. The last slider he threw for the 20th K is nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pulci_SBVHk


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Tall Midget wrote:
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What is your favorite memory from Mark Prior's 2004 season, when he pitched 118 innings, won 6 games and posted an ERA of 4.02?

The comeback game where he was perfect for 5 innings.

The 16 strikeout-9ip game against the Reds in th
e last week when he was trying to stop the choke but couldnt.


I think you missed the point of my question.

No, i got it. Was just flexing my Prior nerdism. Hugely disappointing year for him


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America wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
America wrote:
Kerry Wood was maybe the greatest pitcher in major league history. Obviously we'll never know but he had a 12.5 K/9 in the heart of the steroid era as a teenager. I mean, the stats dont really matter with him that much because you can watch and just know.

Prior never got your imagination going the way Wood did.

*I know he wasn't a teenager

Your imagination must be a lot different than mine.

I was projecting Prior every time he threw a pitch.

The way he pitched was awesome. Pedro meets Maddux.

96 outside on the black
70 mph curve into a teacup
95MPH at your eyes

Goodnight

Kerry Wood would throw (and I mean throw) pitches that defied what people thought was possible. I watch that game against the Astros sometimes for yucks, that has never happened before and will never happen again. His shit went backwards.

Gagne was similar in 2003

The power control precision combo of Prior was just more exciting to me.


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Prior was better, yeah. But Kerry Wood was really good. And Kerry Wood was the 'veteran Cubs starter' on those teams. Zambrano was new, Clement was a free agent. Estes sucked in 2003, but Maddux was good in 2004.

Wood and Prior were 1-2 though at the top of the rotation. That is all I meant by anchoring it.

My comment was not directed at you really. Prior and Wood are forever linked and Ive never really liked it.


Id had my fill of Kerry Wood's bullshit by the time Prior showed up. I thought Prior was the anti Wood. Good mechanics, smart, unemotional, not a redneck, etc

Yeah they're linked in the sense of WHY ARE YOU IDIOTS PANICKING, THEY HAVE PRIOR AND WOOD FOR GAME 6 AND 7



Was that the genesis of your bernstein hatred?
Not sure when that started. It certainly didn't help his cause though :lol:

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Prior gets a bad rap for game 6. So does Bartman. The biggest culprits that night were Alex Gonzales and Dusty Baker. 1A and 1B, take your pick.

Frank, that is the smartest Cub post you have ever had.

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Curious Hair wrote:
THE INQUISITOR wrote:
The Sox could call up Rodon as a fifth starter on the day he is needed and then send him down and will have just one day of service time.


Is there a way baseball teams could do a version of Blackhawks' Rockford Shuffle where a pitcher is only up for his start and then he gets optioned back down while some Quadruple-A scrub occupies a spot on the bench for the other days? Would the union stop this? Is a Really Smrt Team already doing this?


Well kinda but it is hard....once a player is sent back to the minors (optioned) he must stay down for at least 10 days...unless another player gets hurt...this pretty much rules out Rockford Shuffle.

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
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The Sox could call up Rodon as a fifth starter on the day he is needed and then send him down and will have just one day of service time.


Is there a way baseball teams could do a version of Blackhawks' Rockford Shuffle where a pitcher is only up for his start and then he gets optioned back down while some Quadruple-A scrub occupies a spot on the bench for the other days? Would the union stop this? Is a Really Smrt Team already doing this?


Well kinda but it is hard....once a player is sent back to the minors (optioned) he must stay down for at least 10 days...unless another player gets hurt...this pretty much rules out Rockford Shuffle.



Of course. Otherwise you would have basically a limitless roster except for the max of options.

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I never had to learn baseball roster rules like I did for the NHL. Smart of them. Thanks.

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Yeah they're linked in the sense of WHY ARE YOU IDIOTS PANICKING, THEY HAVE PRIOR AND WOOD FOR GAME 6 AND 7


And Zambrano for Game 5. Another guy who didn't live up to his potential, though his issues were mental.

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Yeah they're linked in the sense of WHY ARE YOU IDIOTS PANICKING, THEY HAVE PRIOR AND WOOD FOR GAME 6 AND 7


And Zambrano for Game 5. Another guy who didn't live up to his potential, though his issues were mental.

Terrible that whole post season


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One thing that doesn't get brought up enough was Hendry's lack of upgrading the bullpen. We were trotting out Dave Veres and Mark Guthrie. Alfonseca was garbage by that point and Borowski was one cycle of help from falling apart.


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One thing that doesn't get brought up enough was Hendry's lack of upgrading the bullpen. We were trotting out Dave Veres and Mark Guthrie. Alfonseca was garbage by that point and Borowski was one cycle of help from falling apart.

All true. Alfonseca was garbage when they got him and so was Felix Heredia.


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Do you think Carlos Rodon will be better or worse than Ted Lilly?



I highly doubt he will have as good a career as Lilly did, but he's starting off with more capablity to dominate hitters than Lilly ever had.

So, He's a highly touted "prospect?"

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Do you think Carlos Rodon will be better or worse than Ted Lilly?



I highly doubt he will have as good a career as Lilly did, but he's starting off with more capablity to dominate hitters than Lilly ever had.

So, He's a highly touted "prospect?"

Most of the good ones start off dominating then they learn how to pitch.


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