JORR needs a microphone, an amplifier, and three hours in front of the State Street Old Navy.

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HEY!

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Well, I thought you'd like that.

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Yeah I think he has lost his mind. Over a team he does not care about. Talk about closet love. Do you see Cub fans losing their marbles in a Sox thread. No. They do not care.

dont have a heart attack on us JORR

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I have my hands full trying to straighten idiots on this board who are dumb enough to suggest that payroll has minimal effect on winning.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Look we know you can't buy championships.
We also know that if you have a team of allstars it increases your odds...
But really, baseball is like all other sports. You just need to get hot at the right time.

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Honest question... are you saying wins in general or championship wins?
And no one here said it has a minimal effect. I didn't see that stated anyone other than in your posts.

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You can buy championships and teams do it all the time. If you look at payroll dollars you'll quickly see there's a direct and indisputable correlation to wins. That's a fact. If you want to deal in fantasyland, I'm not interested.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Everyone else but you on the board is dumb and an idiot. Got it.

Jorr needs a break. Money is important to wins. That is why "the plan" includes video boards, bleacher changing and altering a landmark.

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Since 2000, did the Yankees with their top payroll win more championships than, say, the Marlins with their minimum payroll?

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You're obviously suggesting that "any team can get hot and win" and it just isn't true. Sure, sometimes a low payroll team wins. It's usually because they have good young players under salary control based upon the rules established in collective bargaining. But you can buy wins and that is clearly reflected if you look at wins per dollar spent on payroll. And the road to a World Series begins with winning. Yeah, often the team with the absolute most wins doesn't ultimately win the championship, but you have a much greater chance of winning one if you spend more money. I mean, isn't that the whole reason anyone supports Ricketts radically altering the ballpark and the neighborhood? Or do so many people just want to see that nice rich boy and his family get richer?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

You may not be aware of this, but I'll clue you in: you are the board leader in illogical arguments.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Which is almost exactly what I said in my first post that made you nuts.

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Not everyone. You for sure, though.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Yeah... I don't think so.
Was I wrong? Did the Yankees win more championships with their max payroll than the Marlins did with their minimum payroll since 2000?

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Thanks. That is a compliment coming from you. I will consider the source.

But... the first quote from me got into a three page argument.

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First, I don't believe the Marlins had a minimum payroll every year. Second, the answer to the question doesn't support any argument you're trying to make. Finally, since 2000 the Yankees have won two World Series and played in two more besides making the postseason nearly every season. That's significantly more success than the Marlins had over the same period.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Ah yeah, two. I honestly forgot about 09. LOL... but the point remains, the original point... low budget teams do win championships.

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Context matters. You still haven't explained your point in posting something so obvious. But it's pretty clear to all but the brain dead (Scooter) and the willfully obtuse (spanky) that you were questioning the concept that Beane has a big disadvantage working with his payrolls as compared to those enjoyed by Theo Epstein.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Beanes problem I think was his ego not his payroll.
I mean, isn't it possible that Pena would have been better in the playoffs than Hatte? I think he would have been. He ultimately was a better player.

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I don't know. I tend not to believe that "the playoffs are a crapshoot", but I think building a team for the playoffs has more to do with the starting pitching than anything. I suppose that's what he was trying to do last year. He was just barking up the wrong tree with Samardzija and Hammel.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Beane tends to overthink at times it seems. Pena probably would have been better looking back on it. Better player.

Yeah I buy that about Smardzija. I don't think that dude has winner written on him. Not that I think he's a loser, like I say about say Tony Romo (who I believe is a major league loser) but I don't think hes a winner either.
I believe and always have that winning a championship is about timing as well as talent.
I gotta go, BCS is on. I'll be back later.

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Are you sure you want to call others "obtuse" in this conversation?
IMU tried to get you to make actual predictions, instead of just bashing all of the make believe ones that you think you heard, but you declined.


Put that on your Bernstein/JORR list, Sarley!

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Sticks and stones Spanky. Don't argue with the smartest guy on the board.

I stopped posting in this thread some time ago.

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Fear not, Francis, I would not trade Jose Altuve Abreu for Hamels either.

The Cubs still need a 3B and a 2B. I believe Bryant is destined for LF, and I don't believe Olt is the answer at third, though maybe.

Russell has always been a higher rated prospect than Starlin Castro was. Castro came out of nowhere...his last 12 months or so in the minors. So, with Russell's possible ceiling at the level so many scouts think, I'm not willing to trade Russell for Hamels. Again, not when so much pitching is going to be available in free agency.

I can see Castro playing 3B and Russell at SS in 2016. 2B to Baez or Alcantara or a player not currently in the Cubs roster at all.

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