No...I get it. I try and stay out of the fray most of the time.

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Gold glover near the top in WAR and has gotten MVP votes in two of his 5 years.

I stand by my statement.

WAR Position Players† †s c a p y
2010 NL 6.4 (4th)
2012 NL 5.8 (9th)
2014 NL 6.4 (5th)



Wins Above Replacement--all s c a p y
1. Kershaw (LAD) 8.0
2. Hamels (PHI) 6.9
3. Lucroy (MIL) 6.7
4. Rendon (WSN) 6.5
5. Stanton (MIA) 6.5
6. Wainwright (STL) 6.5
7. McCutchen (PIT) 6.4
8. Cueto (CIN) 6.4
9. Heyward (ATL) 6.4
10. Peralta (STL) 5.8

The Braves made the playoffs by 1 game in Heyward's rookie season.

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Whoa on the Heyward is a great player, his numbers the last couple of years sure don't show it.

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The owner is a complete idiot whose only accomplishment is being born into money.

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gonna be plenty of angst in Cubville if Bryant is as "good" as Heyward.

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Yes, they do.

His OBP is always great. He hits for power and is one of the best outfielders in the league.

He's a different kind of player than people envisioned, but he's still one of the best OF's in the league

Wow, you too?


What do you guys have against great defensive outfielders who have a high obp and hit around 20 homeruns (In a HUUUGE pitchers park, btw)

Do you consider 780 OPS great?

Last year he hit .271 with 11 homers and slugged .384. The year before and he was hurt he hit .254 with 14 homers and slugged .427. He hasn't had a really good year since 2012.

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It may be an easy decision for Ricketts and Epstein. But I'm a fan. I don't view the game through their eyes. I don't see why you would either. You're a Cub fan. It's been 108 fuckin' years. As a Sox fan it isn't much different for me. Sure, I have 2005 but I'd like to get another one before I die. It's not that easy.

I understand Ricketts thinking about what's best for Ricketts. I understand Boras thinking about what's best for Boras. I understand Epstein thinking about what's best for Epstein. And I understand Bryant thinking about what's best for Bryant. But I'm thinking about what's best for me. As a fan- paricularly a Cub fan- you don't have many opportunities to win. I wouldn't want to throw one away. It's similar to Washington shutting down Strasburg. That may have been their best chance to win a World Series. The future isn't promised. You have to go for it when you have a chance. Unless you don't think this Cub team is a contender. If that's the case, I understand you.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Not on it's own, but you have to take the whole player into account.

For a leadoff hitter, that's fine.


9th in WAR last year. To go along with a gold glove, 20 homeruns and 20 steals. Im not sure what you're looking for. He's not a traditional power hitter, but he's still extremely valuable.

A lot of it is dWAR but with him it's legit. He saves a ton of runs.

He's pretty much NL Alex Gordon, who I also consider great.

Yeah ... one of those years he was in 28th place. I think pasta was tied for 28th place in the MVP vote back in '83 with Warren Cromartie.

The point is if he's not leaps and bounds past Heyward, that'd be a real pisser ... there's no two ways about it.

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bryant better hit 40 homers, or else.

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Ok, regardless of your expectations of Kris Bryant, Heyward is a great overall player. Maybe the best lead off hitter in baseball.

When someone says he "turned out to not be that good" as JB did, Im going to disagree.

So you are expecting Albert Pujols?


Pujols didnt hit 40 until his third year

he doesn't have to hit 40 his rookie year, but within 3-4 years.

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25-35 HR's/.275 BA/.360 OPS would look pretty good in year 1.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

It's not the steroid era anymore. Ill be happy if he hits around 30 per year

RPB, your defintition of great and mine clearly aren't the same. He is a good major league player.

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10 years in, if people aren't pontificating HOF chances, it will be a disappointment. he better be close to that kind of player. A Todd Zeile career will become a punchline.

They were afraid to bring this guy up cuz he'd be too good! haw haw!!

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Ok but I think it's probably because you are expecting him to be something he's not
(traditional power hitter)

A lead off hitter with a .351 OBP , steals 20 bases and plays the best outfield defense in the league is better than "good", imo.

And remember, he was the lead off guy last year. He was asked to get on base. His approach was different. We already know he's capable of hitting 25+ homeruns.


Add versatility to his resume.

I certainly don't consider Gordon or Heyward "great" either. I admit I may be biased against Heyward when I see a 6'7" dude who looks like he could knock down Dwight Howard and yet he can barely hit 20 homers. Sort of like a reverse Corey Patterson. But I think the reason that the Braves traded him was that they actually weren't clear on how to value him.

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I'd like to point out that you are a White Sox fan.


We'll see what happens. My hopes are tied to team success more than any individual player.

Don't know if he is the best outfielder in the league, and why are you trying to tell me what I am thinking, that is a little weird. He is a good player in my opinion, you think he is great. Don't think either one of us is going to convince the other likewise.

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The Cubs, this season, are NOT a World Series contender. They are not there yet. That needs to be said immediately.

Secondly, this move gives the Cubs MORE opportunities to win - stronger opportunities to win. Nothing is promised, but Theo has shown he will make the moves required to give the Cubs as many chances as possible.

Again...Olt has shown he deserves to play in the majors to start this season. Bryant is not a starting outfielder at this point. So either way, you're not going to let one of these guys play. You might as well see if Olt is actually for real this time, and if so...maybe a trade happens with Coghlan / Denorfia / Olt that opens up a spot that Bryant can stick to for the next 7 seasons.

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Theo's not lying. He should know this team can't contend for the wild card this season. Show of hands, who thinks they can? I don't.

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They definitely can.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

He hit 27 homeruns in Atlanta and then they made him a lead off hitter.

Who is great?

I need some context. Heyward and Gordon are both top 5- maybe top 10 outfielders in their leagues, no?

Cubs and Sox definitely can compete this year.

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