It's an easy decision for myself as a Cubs fan.

I prefer a guaranteed 7 years (minus 30 days) rather than a guaranteed 6 years of years of Kris Bryant on the Cubs.

Who knows what will happen in 7 years. I bet many would've thought Pujols would be a Cardinal for life.

It's that simple.

I am trying to figure out your middle 2 statements, they seem to contradict.

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Leadoff men


Name Team wRC wRAA wOBA wRC+
Josh Harrison Pirates 63 22.8 0.389 153
Carlos Gomez Brewers 73 22.2 0.371 135
Kole Calhoun Angels 69 16.7 0.354 134
Jose Altuve Astros 50 11.8 0.353 128
Brett Gardner Yankees 68 15 0.35 123
Danny Santana Twins 52 11.3 0.349 125
Chris Coghlan Cubs 36 7.3 0.346 118
Christian Yelich Marlins 85 16.2 0.343 118
Denard Span Nationals 88 16.6 0.342 118
Charlie Blackmon Rockies 83 15.2 0.342 101
Adam Eaton White Sox70 12.4 0.34 115
Matt Carpenter Cardinals 91 15.5 0.339 117
Ian Kinsler Tigers 49 8.2 0.338 116
Shin-Soo Choo Rangers 54 7.7 0.333 108
Brian Dozier Twins 40 5 0.33 111
Jason Heyward Braves 52 6.1 0.328 109

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They are perfectly clear. After his 7th year he becomes a free agent. There is no guarantee he comes back.

But you don't know that those years are guaranteed either, unless you can tell you know he is not going to be injured. I get their decision also, but they also have to understand that if he is a player with a memory it could affect future negotiations.

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I don't know how much simpler Kirkwood can make it for all of you.

Some of you are so fucking stupid and would argue the Holocaust didn't happen just so you can argue about something. This thread is 8 pages

This is a poor argument. There is greater knowledge later in the season of a team's performance. There is less variance to project and management act on their current standing.

This is why prices at the trade deadline are much higher than in the offseason.

First of all, many of those guys were not lead off hitters.

Secondly, wOBA is a power hitter's stats. Look at the leaders.

Finally, if were using advanced stats, let's just go with WAR.

Wins Above Replacement--all s c a p y
1. Kershaw (LAD) 8.0
2. Hamels (PHI) 6.9
3. Lucroy (MIL) 6.7
4. Rendon (WSN) 6.5
5. Stanton (MIA) 6.5
6. Wainwright (STL) 6.5
7. McCutchen (PIT) 6.4
8. Cueto (CIN) 6.4
9. Heyward (ATL) 6.4
10. Peralta (STL) 5.8

Sox fans think Bryant will be a bust, but that he will have a WAR of 12 in 2015. (Highest WAR ever?)

I don't understand.

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that impacts both delaying or not delaying his call up.

huge assumption.

while Rondon will be the next Chris Sale but it's OK his call to the major league is delayed.

yea, pretty messed thinking up but it is what it is.

DON'T TELL OTHER CUB FANS HOW TO FEEL! THERE IS NO CONSENSUS! WAAAAA-WAAAAA!

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Does he look ready to you? He better figure out how to throw strikes. If he were striking out every guy he faces in Arizona, you're damn right I'd want him breaking camp with the team.

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Excellent counterpoint.

Theo has tanked 3 seasons. Whats an extra couple of weeks at this point? Talent wise and roster wise, there is absolutely no reason Bryant should not break camp with the big club.



No, Kirkwood. You're wrong. while you can't win a Division in April or May, you absolutely can lose one. The Cubs have the 3rd toughest schedule to start the season, 23 of their first 39 games are against teams above .500 in 2014. 22 of those games at at Wrigley with at least some shit weather, and a ballpark in distress and under repair, which may affect things. Almost half of their first 39 games are against the Pirates and Cardinals. You need to win division games if you want any prayer of competing for a playoff spot. Since 2008, the last time the Cubs made the playoffs, they are a combined 30 games under .500 in April. Given all of that, why would you not want the (potentially) best hitter in your organization playing in ALL those games?

If Bryant is NOT on the roster and batting 3rd on Opening Night against the Cardinals, the message from your President of Baseball Ops is very clear-- we're not trying to win now.

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you said judge him as a leadoff hitter. I'm not counting his phony baloney defensive contribute.

he's like an average leadoff man.

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the decision would be whether he's better than John Danks, Hector Noesi or Brad Penny if I was to apply the current argument being spewed. hence, he should be on the opening day roster.

not the message. nor is batting bryant 3rd opening day wise.

Its the message for sure. If you chose not to believe it that is your problem.


Boy, you accuse JOrr of making things up, then you guys go right ahead and do the same.

I don't recall seeing a single Sox fan saying Bryant will be a bust. We're just not ready to say he will make many AS games, and compete for multiple MVPs like some Cubs fans are.

As things stand right now today, it is very clear to anyone with a brain that Bryant is much further along in his development and is way more MLB ready than Carlos Rodon is.

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Then that makes it easy.

The answer is no, not right now. You would have thought Erik Johnson and/or Feliple Paulino would have been better than Danks last season, and they were both dreadfully worse.

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Yeah, see that's not reality. You should look into his defense. Its not even close to phony baloney.

See, I knew you guys were just completely dismissing the defense. In Heyward and Gordon's cases it is legit and makes a huge difference in winning.

http://www.talkingchop.com/2014/11/10/7155025/a-year-with-jason-heywards-defense




As a leadoff hitter, he was probably second best in the NL behind Span. (As his OBP indicates)

they're not, ya big dummy! They would be stupid to!

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Well, to be fair, neither do they by and large.

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COF, you are honestly trying to tell me that it would be be stupid to give your team a better chance to win division games in April?


All of this losing the Cubs have done in their history has seriously fucked with your minds.

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I'll ask you this question no one wants to go out on a limb and answer. This team is not constructed well enough to compete with the division or make the wild card. They may be "in the running" but as long as you're trying to play Baez, Alcantara, Olt and whoever they throw in the outfield, c'mon. THIS TEAM IS NOT BUILT TO CONTEND FULLY YET. What makes you think they will? Answer me that.

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they're not stupid. they just want to troll and act like asses. it's a bit.

You did.

You said Corey Patterson and Alexei Ramirez would finish their careers with more home runs than Kris Bryant when he finishes his, no?

That would be a huge "bust" as a third baseman or corner outfielder with power.

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I think with some things going the right way, they can absolutely win ~86 games and get a WC spot.

If you really believe that this team is not built to at least contend for a playoff spot right now, than that is a terrible sad indictment of Jed and St. Theo. All of those losses, all of those prospects, and they can't even field a team to make the playoffs? Making the playoffs is easier than ever right now! A team that win 87 games, and was behind in the game as late as the 7th inning of the WC play in game last year, ended up winning the AL Pennant.

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I said Bryant would be lucky to finish his career with as many HRs as Ramirez. And that was trolling back at your Abreu trolling from yesterday.

Patterson was thrown in there only as a reference.

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Hey man, I was pointing out trends. Not trolling.

Bryant is expected, and required, to pass Alexei's HR total.

edit: It is hard to tell when you White Sox fans are trolling. I mean...when JORR guaranteed 50 home runs for Jose Abreu in May...suddenly it is hard to take White Sox fans serious in anything.

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