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I think a million things will have happened since then (good and bad) that will shape his opinion of the organization. I dont think he'll blame the team for doing what almost every team does in this situation. Obviously, its possible but seems unlikely.
He certainly seems to be blaming the team now.

“Ownership here has been great to me …. Tom [Ricketts] is great to me, everybody in the front office is great to me, and I have nothing but good things to say about them.”).

Yeah but you know what he really means by that.

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I think a million things will have happened since then (good and bad) that will shape his opinion of the organization. I dont think he'll blame the team for doing what almost every team does in this situation. Obviously, its possible but seems unlikely.
He certainly seems to be blaming the team now.

“Ownership here has been great to me …. Tom [Ricketts] is great to me, everybody in the front office is great to me, and I have nothing but good things to say about them.”).


Bryant, for his part, seems to understand, adding that he’s a professional, and he doesn’t think any of this is going to impact his relationship with the Cubs, or the Cubs’ relationship with Boras.
Yeah, because he wants to be on the opening day roster! :lol:

Would you expect him to go out and say "F THE CUBS!"?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I think a million things will have happened since then (good and bad) that will shape his opinion of the organization. I dont think he'll blame the team for doing what almost every team does in this situation. Obviously, its possible but seems unlikely.
He certainly seems to be blaming the team now.


Lance Briggs swore up and down he was done with the Bears. Couldn't wait to get out of here. Things change all the time. If and when the time comes that Bryant wants to leave, I doubt it will be because of this.


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I think a million things will have happened since then (good and bad) that will shape his opinion of the organization. I dont think he'll blame the team for doing what almost every team does in this situation. Obviously, its possible but seems unlikely.
He certainly seems to be blaming the team now.


Lance Briggs swore up and down he was done with the Bears. Couldn't wait to get out of here. Things change all the time. If and when the time comes that Bryant wants to leave, I doubt it will be because of this.
Well, Lance was done with the Bears. He just didn't tell them.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:51 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think a million things will have happened since then (good and bad) that will shape his opinion of the organization. I dont think he'll blame the team for doing what almost every team does in this situation. Obviously, its possible but seems unlikely.
He certainly seems to be blaming the team now.

“Ownership here has been great to me …. Tom [Ricketts] is great to me, everybody in the front office is great to me, and I have nothing but good things to say about them.”).


Bryant, for his part, seems to understand, adding that he’s a professional, and he doesn’t think any of this is going to impact his relationship with the Cubs, or the Cubs’ relationship with Boras.
Yeah, because he wants to be on the opening day roster! :lol:

Would you expect him to go out and say "F THE CUBS!"?

:lol:


Here is another situation where the Cubs are doing something many other teams have done without issue but because it's the Cubs, it's a big deal....to some.


I guess we'll see what happens.


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Here is another situation where the Cubs are doing something many other teams have done without issue but because it's the Cubs, it's a big deal....to some.
You mean the players agent? Don't make this out to be a Cubs/Sox thing. His agent is complaining about it. I doubt Boras is a Sox fan.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:56 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Here is another situation where the Cubs are doing something many other teams have done without issue but because it's the Cubs, it's a big deal....to some.
You mean the players agent? Don't make this out to be a Cubs/Sox thing. His agent is complaining about it. I doubt Boras is a Sox fan.

There are some people that are incapable of looking at Cubs or Sox issues without bias.

Anyway, arguing what a guy might feel 5 years down the line is pretty pointless even for a message board.

I dont think it will be an issue. It wasnt for Mike Trout, Jered Weaver, or Longoria. Im hoping Bryant is the same.


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So, who is the best example where this strategy worked? I honestly don't know.

Where the team did this, were able to hold onto the guy for an extra year under team control without a new contract, and then stayed with the team or didn't, I guess that last part isn't really part of the strategy.

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There are some people that are incapable of looking at Cubs or Sox issues without bias.
As long as you are including yourself then I agree.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Here is another situation where the Cubs are doing something many other teams have done without issue but because it's the Cubs, it's a big deal....to some.


I guess we'll see what happens.


Yeah if Bryant was on the Sox there is no way he would be on opening day roster.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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There are some people that are incapable of looking at Cubs or Sox issues without bias.
As long as you are including yourself then I agree.

I didnt name anyone. If you think Im biased, that's cool.


I feel like people that are extremely biased and look at everything with tinted glasses are very transparent.


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Were it the Sox, I think he would have been on the team last year. Not that they are better people but just that desperate for any kind of interest.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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There are some people that are incapable of looking at Cubs or Sox issues without bias.
As long as you are including yourself then I agree.

I didnt name anyone. If you think Im biased, that's cool.


I feel like people that are extremely biased and look at everything with tinted glasses are very transparent.
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
So, who is the best example where this strategy worked? I honestly don't know.

Where the team did this, were able to hold onto the guy for an extra year under team control without a new contract, and then stayed with the team or didn't, I guess that last part isn't really part of the strategy.

Interesting question. Id say look at guys who made it to free agency and work backwards.


Also if a player re-signs early you have to consider that having one more year to wait is part of the team's leverage.


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Or has this rule not been in place long enough for it to have reached that point for anyone?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Or has this rule not been in place long enough for it to have reached that point for anyone?

The Cubs did this with Mark Grace in 88


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Or has this rule not been in place long enough for it to have reached that point for anyone?

The Cubs did this with Mark Grace in 88


That begat the super 2 rule didn't it?


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I didn't know they made those coach's shorts anymore...and for good reason. I'm glad he's staying true to his polish roots

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Matches Malone wrote:
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Or has this rule not been in place long enough for it to have reached that point for anyone?

The Cubs did this with Mark Grace in 88


That begat the super 2 rule didn't it?

Yep

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-kris-bryant-service-time-players-union-grievance-mark-grace-1988-032215


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He does look very smooth in CF but also seems like the injury prone type.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/ ... oom-spring

MESA, Ariz. – With all due respect to Kris Bryant and his headline-grabbing, star-potential power, the slugging third baseman isn’t the only first-round pick in Cubs’ camp turning heads this spring among the Cubs’ coaching staff.

Not even the only one in his condo.

The best young player in camp that nobody outside the organization seems to be talking about is Bryant’s roommate, Albert Almora, who has quietly put together a strong, impressive spring at the plate while doing something not even Bryant can claim:

Nobody in camp is better defensively at his position than the center fielder who doesn’t turn 21 until next month – and who might yet prove to become every bit as important to any competitive run the Cubs put together over the next several years as Bryant.

“He’s one of the best [outfielders] we have in camp, if not [the best],” said first-year bench coach Dave Martinez, the former Cubs outfielder who coaches the position area for the club. “I’ve known about him. I’ve heard about him. And just watching him play this spring, he’s definitely caught my attention.”

With all the prospect gushing and minor-league glory the Cubs experienced over the last nine months it would seem easy to forget Almora in the sizeable, growing shadows of Bryant, Jorge Soler and newcomers Kyle Schwarber and Addison Russell.

“Trust me, we haven’t forgotten about him,” Martinez said.

Team president Theo Epstein’s first Cubs draft pick (No. 6 overall in 2012) was a consensus top-40 prospect his first two professional seasons before struggling much of the first half of last season in the advanced-A Florida State League.

“I know that supposedly he had a rough year last year, but based on what I’ve seen, he’s got all the ability and talents to play in the big leagues,” said Martinez, who plans to have Almora learn the two other outfield spots, too. “He’s young. He’s super young. But his fundamentals and his work ethic are unbelievable.”

Almora, who battled his emotions as his father battled prostate cancer much of last season, also battled a too-aggressive approach at the plate that he believes he has solved during an 8-for-21 (.381) spring that includes a .409 on-base percentage, .933 OPS and just two strikeouts.

“I wish I had an explanation for why it clicked now [and not last season],” Almora said. “Maybe I misunderstood it or it was explained the wrong way. The point is that now they put it to me in a clear form and I put it into my right terms and it works phenomenal.”
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He’s talking about the easier-said-than-done ability to identify a personal “drive” zone within the strike zone and ignore harder-to-drive pitches outside of it (with less than two strikes), even if the pitch is hittable.

“He has such good hand-eye coordination,” farm director Jaron Madison said. “He can put almost any ball in play – and sometimes he tries to do just that.”

It has made him uniquely successful at reaching outside the zone for years; but may also make him especially successful if the new approach sticks if only because it should make him more competitive with two strikes.

“I remember one at-bat [this spring], it wasn’t my pitch, I let it go, and I said, `Oh, well, it’s strike one,’ “ he said. “And the guy never called it.

I’m like, `Wow, there it is.’ that’s how I’ll get deeper into counts.’

“It’s been working phenomenal. I’ve been feeling really good at the plate.”

Almora, who could wind up in the AAA outfield this year, knows he’ll probably be part of the big cut down in camp that’s likely coming Wednesday.

He also knows he accomplished everything he hoped so far in big-league camp – “more than I really expected.”

And it seems no accident that the veteran starting center fielder the Cubs acquired in January, Dexter Fowler, is a free agent at the end of the year.

His confidence is high. His dad is doing well again. And if he has become the forgotten man in the Cubs’ touted inner core of prospects?

“That’s all right,” he said. “That’s nothing I can control. I’m not trying to make a list or anything like that. I’m trying to make a ballclub.”


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Black and white undies are all bunched up over this :lol:
It's amazing really

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Black and white undies are all bunched up over this :lol:
It's amazing really

No not really. They cannot help it.


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You have watched the Cub fans in the thread about Hahn's respect tonight, right?

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You have watched the Cub fans in the thread about Hahn's respect tonight, right?


People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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You have watched the Cub fans in the thread about Hahn's respect tonight, right?


People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Ok, this must be a bit by you.

There are some Cubs fans that can complain about Sox fans being obsessed with the other team. You would not be one of them.

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Black and white undies are all bunched up over this :lol:
It's amazing really


not true. The newspaper said we have never heard of Almora so I guess we have never heard of him

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Edwin Jackson got stuck in traffic and is missing his start today. :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol:

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Edwin Jackson got stuck in traffic and is missing his start today. :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol:


Starting the 2nd inning, but this is still hysterical. How does that happen?

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