You are now the only person here that isn't clear.

So that's my fault?

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So, to sum up. The Illinois law passed 18 years ago is not identical and this kind of discrimination is not always covered by the federal law.

Everything I posted was correct.

Have a gay weekend, Seacrest!

Do you have a link to where Seacrest stated that he hates gay people?

I'm genuinely curious.

Because that is the herd's mentality.

Your affirmation of my premise is acknowledged, but not enjoyed.

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I'm talking about Pence. I've edited my post to be less ambiguous.

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Wrong and wrong.

But thanks for sticking with the herd.

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BRING BACK LORD CHESTERFIELD!!

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No, Im right. You can stomp your feet and wish I was wrong, but Im not.

Ive provided you an example of the federal law not holding up and its just plain fact that the bills are not identical. (If you show the bills to be identical, I will take it back, but we both know they are not)


And accusing me of the herd mentality is hilarious. Almost everyone here would say I go against the grain as much as anyone. You're just way off.

I still hope your weekend is glorious.

YAY! More abortion and gay talk!

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Don't take it back.

Enjoy your week end.

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This is the thing about the Hobby Lobby case I just can't figure out. The company is giving the employee compensation (in the form of a health insurance plan). The same company also gives the employee compensation in the form of money. The money can be used to purchase birth control, as can the health insurance plan. What's the difference? In neither case is the company providing the birth control directly. It is compensating an employee for his or her work.

The way I see it, Hobby Lobby should be arguing for the right to pay their employees in non-transferable company scrip. That way none of that compensation can be used to purchase birth control!

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I'll explain it.

Obamacare asserted that the birth control HAD TO BE PAID For by the company.

Think about that.

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see, that's the beauty of it. he won't actually come out and actually make a bold statement like that, he just tip toes around it and tries to use big people words like "Constitution"

You seem to be the only poster that has missed this.

Like I said. Shame and misinformation is all that many of you have to pedal here.

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Citation please? Where does it say that the birth control is directly paid by the company rather than by the insurance company? An insurance premium is not the same thing as birth control. Are you arguing that a self-insured company is forced to pay out for BC claims? If so, it can arrange no longer to self-insure and instead pay its portion of the premiums to a third-party insurer.

Money can also be used to purchase birth control. They should be against any law that requires them to pay cash, too.

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http://lastresistance.com/3805/hobby-lo ... eme-court/

Here is one of a thousand cites.

I'm not sure about the self insured companies.

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Money can be used to purchase many things, some of them illegal. Should all businesses not use cash because it might be used for illegal purposes? I don't expound that birth control is an illegal item, rather one that the referenced company does not want connected with it's beliefs. What the employee does with their pay is their own affair. Is health insurance a privilege/benefit or a right? You are obligated to pay wages, not supply insurance (pay the penalty).

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I see nothing at that page that indicates an employer pays directly for birth control. Again, as far as I know, no employer is forced to self-insure under the ACA. They are paying an insurance premium. The insurance company is paying for the birth control.

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And health insurance can be used to purchase many things, some of them against the business's supposed belief structure. In either case, the business has no control over what happens with that compensation once it's been paid. It can choose to supply or not supply insurance as it desires. What is the difference if they choose to pay the employee the cost of the insurance and that employee uses the money to purchase insurance directly that includes birth control? It's the same effect.

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It's stated right in the first paragraph.

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just wanted to collect Seacrests posts in this thread since they were kinda getting lost in the shuffle , they look neater altogether

Why is putting up a sign that says "No gays allowed" worse than not serving gay people?

Im not being a jerk, maybe there is something about the signs I havent thought of.

Who wants control over what the health insurance is used for?

And who is trying to restrict an employee from buying their own birth control?

And I don't believe that you are able to decide not to carry insurance.

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No it's not.


emphasis added

Those two words have meaning. And that's not exactly a primary or unbiased source.

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A little while back, there was a big stink when Hobby Lobby, the famously Christian arts and crafts chain, refused to abide by the Obamacare mandate that, in effect, required employers to pay for contraception.

First paragraph

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The Hobby Lobby ownership. They apparently have no problem with one form of compensation (cash) being used to purchase birth control. However, their beliefs are offended if another form (partial insurance premiums) are used for the same purpose.

How is using a health insurance policy to which I am the sole beneficiary to purchase birth control any different?

You just said so yourself a few posts ago. They can opt to pay the fine.

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They have a specific problem with directly being required to pay for some forms of birth control.

What medicine that their employees buy with their checks is not at issue. And never was.

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Did you even read my post? I quoted that paragraph in full, highlighting the two words that show it doesn't support your claim. And again, a site that claims it is "Liberalism's worst nightmare" isn't exactly a persuasive source.

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.