Seacrest should realize that a person is not allowed on this message board to have an opinion that marriage should only be defined as the union between a man and a woman.

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Like I said, it is one of a thousand cites. I just copied the first link that appeared.

Hobby Lobby pays it's employees a wage.

Hobby Lobby wants to provide health insurance.

Hobby Lobby doesn't want to be required to pay for certain forms of birth control on religious grounds.

Hobby Lobby is not trying to stop their employees from buying birth control with their wages.

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Again, they are not paying directly for birth control unless they are self-insured. They are providing a premium subsidy for the purchase of health insurance. That is where their involvement with the transaction ends.

Why is it any different to Hobby Lobby if the employee uses cash provided by Hobby Lobby to purchase birth control? My point is that the original argument is just as absurd as trying to control what the employee purchases with cash. They are trying to prevent their employees from using their health insurance compensation to purchase birth control. Why does the cash become free from Hobby Lobby's beliefs but the insurance policy doesn't?

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strawman alert !

Hobby Lobby is not paying for any form of birth control. It is paying insurance premiums.

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

When someone posts a message disagreeing with Seacrest, that is not anywhere near the same as claiming he shouldn't be allowed a contrary opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I, and many others, are allowed to disagree. When more disagree than agree, there is no suppression, there is simply an unpopular opinion.

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

Hobby Lobby WAS being required to pay directly for some forms of birth control. On that, the government, Hobby Lobby and the Supreme Court agree.

What is absurd is requiring me as a business owner to be involved in what you do sexually and requiring me to pay directly, for what you do in your bedroom, the backseat of your car or in a field full of flowers.

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Again, citation? As far as I have seen, the only requirement is to pay part of an insurance premium. If they choose to be self-insured, then yes, they will have to pay out for birth control claims. But they can simply choose NOT to be self-insured.

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

By refusing to do to business with someone who is gay, you are becoming involved in what someone does sexually in their bedroom, backseat of their car, or in a field full of flowers.

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In actuality, the opposite is true.

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Find a cite yourself.

The facts of that court case are no longer in question.

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You are the one making the claim that they are being forced to pay directly. Therefore the burden of evidence to find a cite is on you, not me.

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

Come on, SR, you're allowed to have that opinion and others are allowed to disagree.

The facts of the case are well known.

And because HL won, they are not being forced to pay.

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I agree.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13 ... 4_olp1.pdf

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Hobby Lobby is arguing that it shouldn't be required to "facilitate access" to birth control. They are not even arguing they are directly paying for it. But their claim is ridiculous, as providing cash also "facilitates access" to birth control.

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

Well, the Supreme Court disagrees with your assessment and decision.

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And they also decided Roe v. Wade, which made abortion a constitutional right. Did that end the debate on abortion?

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Did I forget to mention, forget to mention Memphis? Home of Elvis and the ancient Greeks.

Yet, you clicked on the thread, read it, and felt compelled to post.

Dipshit.

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Where are you headed form dinner SH?

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Could you clarify the Constitutional protection that you are referring to?

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Is the herd mentality of the board fundamentally different from the herd mentality of the Religions that allow for this type of discrimination?

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Finally! After reading nine pages, someone has the correct response to the Smartest man on the planet. Good job Dark

Apparently all of these ruling are wrong.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/02/1 ... imination/

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/02/0 ... imination/

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/01/2 ... imination/

cont...........

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/2 ... rmont-inn/

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/12/0 ... broke-law/

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/08/2 ... tographer/

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It could be that the the position of a plaintiff is not covered by law. Or the rulings are a contradiction of the federal law signed by Clinton.

President Clinton has protected the religious freedoms Americans treasure by:
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Signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) — one of the most important civil rights bills for religion in American history. Supported by nearly 70 civic and religious groups, the RFRA mandates that government cannot interfere with religious practice unless health and/or safety are jeopardized. Even then, the government must pursue its interest in the manner least burdensome to religion.

You have taken the time to find these cases. How many of them involve issues where health and safety are involved?

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Does the Religious Freedom Restoration Act allow me to refuse service to supporters of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act at Gen Con?

The reason for government intervention in the federal law is clear.

These cases were all decided at the state the level I believe.

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